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1 posted on 08/27/2013 10:32:59 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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Syria is not our problem 0bama is.


2 posted on 08/27/2013 10:36:19 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Syria is not our problem.


3 posted on 08/27/2013 10:36:25 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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Muslims killing Muslims is not a problem.


5 posted on 08/27/2013 10:39:03 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (I am not cynical. /s)
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"Her name, of course, is Samantha Power,"

Ms. Power doesn't seem to care a bit, however, about the genocide being practiced upon the Christians in the middle east.

6 posted on 08/27/2013 10:39:17 AM PDT by circlecity
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"Despite graphic media coverage, American policymakers, journalists and citizens are extremely slow to muster the imagination needed to reckon with evil. Ahead of the killings, they assume rational actors will not inflict seemingly gratuitous violence. They trust in good-faith negotiations and traditional diplomacy. Once the killings start, they assume that civilians who keep their head down will be left alone. They urge cease-fires and donate humanitarian aid."

This is about the US, Obama and his emboldened thugs, isn't it?

8 posted on 08/27/2013 10:39:33 AM PDT by Truth29
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Most people are their own worst enemies. Most people make their own problems. Of course some people are truly struck by random bad luck — but while Obama may have a hell of a problem on his hands right now, he has no one to blame but himself.


9 posted on 08/27/2013 10:39:46 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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The author who wrote the scathingly critical history of how the United States has generally dithered in the face of genocide and mass killings went on to win a 2003 Pulitzer Prize for her book “A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide.”

Ah, so intervention is hip again. How convenient for obama.


10 posted on 08/27/2013 10:40:33 AM PDT by Augustinian monk ("BUSHES WITHOUT BORDERS")
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More than one step is needed.

First, get rid of the AlQaida/Brotherhood lot.

Next, get together with Russia and get rid of Assad.

Good things take time.

11 posted on 08/27/2013 10:40:48 AM PDT by stboz
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We’ve tried in the past to fix the problems in the Middle East, and we know how that worked. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Well, if we don’t, then at least our people won’t get killed. Let the apes solve their own problems.


15 posted on 08/27/2013 10:53:28 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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If you attack Iran instead of Syria, your problem becomes more manageable.

You still get into a very difficult war, but then the war pivots around Iran’s willingness to proliferate NBC weapons to countries willing to deploy them.

It’s no longer a preemptive strike. Your causus belli becomes Iran crossing the line. You treat Assad like the puppet that he is, and you move on. Syria can’t fight the rebels and us at the same time. We don’t want to pick a winner in Syria, so we just make sure neither side can win and they end up destroying each other.

You attack the Iran - Hezbollah - Muslim Bros axis, and you enlist (publically at least) Russia’s help in finally uprooting a massively destabilizing force in the Middle East.

It leaves the Russians to clean up the Syrian problem (it’s their port to defend after all, and we don’t have any national interest there beside containment).

If the Russians protest Iran, it won’t be long before evidence of widespread WMD production hits the news and they can decide whether going nuclear for Iran is worth it (it isn’t).

It also gives us a hoot-in-hell’s chance of salvaging something out of Iraq.

If Obama gets sucked into Syria, he’s as stupid as everyone says he is, only this time it will be DEMOCRATS calling him stupid.

The other one leading from the rear on this? Clinton. Hear a peep out of her lately? Press cared to get her opinion on the situation, having JUST HAD THE SECSTATE JOB RECENTLY?

Everybody acknowledges Kerry is there because he’s incompetent, which is why nobody is listening to him.

You want to head fake people into believing you are going to invade Syria, go ahead, but my target would be Iran.

Sad how we pulled out all those conveniently placed military assets along the Iran/Iraq border recently. Would have been convenient to have left them there for situations like this.

Pissing off Israel and convincing them they couldn’t trust us was also a master stroke. Now you are looking at launching airstrikes from Saudi Arabia, maybe, and not Israel, or laughably, Egypt.

Warships alone aren’t going to cut the mustard here. When the smoke clears on this, anybody that’s left is going to look at how completely and utterly unqualified Obama was to lead the most powerful country on Earth, and they’ll conclude only God could have willed it, and only God could have set up something that would seem so improbable as recently as 2006.

He’s the perfect idiot, at the perfect place, misusing the perfect tools, at the perfect time.


16 posted on 08/27/2013 10:54:59 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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I don’t give a crap about these savages. Especially since they were dancing with glee, while our people were jumping out of the WTC on 911. Flame me if you must.


20 posted on 08/27/2013 11:17:27 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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No...seriously.....if we’re going to attack countries we don’t like the leaders of, let’s go get Cuba! We need another stop for the cruise ships!


24 posted on 08/27/2013 11:33:07 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Obama is the problem from HELL!


25 posted on 08/27/2013 11:35:45 AM PDT by spincaster (Spincaster)
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This might help you understand that there COULD be a peaceful resolution to this mess. It helped me.

Perhaps a peaceful outcome IS possible if we can keep obozo and the Western Military/Industrial Complex out of the process.
If left to their “druthers”, we’ll soon be launching ordnance into Syria in support of the WRONG FOLKS!
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Perhaps THE—major unexplored angle regarding Syria is that the regime, for all its nastiness, represents and defends a sectarian minority there that faces certain violence and possible “religicide” if the Sunni jihadist opposition were to take control.

The Alawis of Syria, a heterodox offshoot of Shi`ism which comprises about 10-12% of Syria’s population, were deemed apostates as far back as the 14th c. by the (in)famous Sunni cleric Ibn Taymiyah (as I wrote about here). This death penalty for them has been resurrected by clerics guiding the likes of Jabhat al-Nusra, the most lethal (and second in size to the Free Syrian Army) opposition group which is fighting to re-establish the caliphate and has no tolerance for Alawis.

The al-Asad regime’s use of chemical weapons (assuming it’s true) is horrific and indefensible under current international law (as least as recognized by Western powers); but insofar as al-Asad and the Damascus government is seen as defending Alawis, as well as Christians, from almost-certain Sunni jihadist slaughter, many in Syria don’t view usage of such weapons as so indefensible.

Instead of indiscriminately launching cruise missiles into Syria, the administration might be better off working with Russia and other powers to re-create the Syria that existed under the French Mandate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:French_Mandate_for_Syria_and_the_Lebanon_map_en.svg)—wherein the Alawis, Druze and Sunnis each had a territorial piece of the pie—and concomitantly persuading the Alawi regime and as many of its folks as possible to relocated to a state centered in Latakia, as well as giving the Syrian Kurds an autonomous region in the northeastern “jazira” (peninsula).

Many guest commentators (esp. on FNC) seem to favor taking out the al-Asad Alawi regime in order to strike a blow at Iran; but one needs to recall why Damascus and Tehran are allied—because no Sunni Arab countries would have much to do with Syria after Hafiz al-Asad and the Alawis took complete power in the early 1970s, and so the elder al-Asad cleverly passed his sect off as Shi`i—even getting the Lebanese Twelver Shi`i cleric Musa al-Sadr to issue a fatwa labeling Alawis as Shi`is before he disappeared in Libya. IF the Alawis were to get support and assurances of safety from a major powers besides Iran, I think it entirely possible they would go quietly into their enclaves around Latakia.

Timothy R. Furnish, PhD


30 posted on 08/27/2013 12:09:53 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- Voltaire)
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Not at all... we just need to mind our own business unless Israel is threatened... then we destroy whatever is threatening Israel and leave. No rebuilding, no nation building... let the Saudis bring in humanitarian care and let the Russians build back their destroyed countries and then die in huge numbers for doing so.


31 posted on 08/27/2013 12:15:32 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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No it isn’t. Syria is not a problem for us. We have zero national security interest in Syria. A bunch of muslims are trying to kill each other. Get out of their way and let them have at it. Let Allah sort it out.


32 posted on 08/27/2013 12:27:42 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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