Is Free Republic worth saving?

[Darksheare]

But you have said he did lots of good.
Do you know he started down this path during the Clown Posse days?
I do take exception because his actions were “from way back”.
Not limited to the past three years.
He, clown poss, etc helped tear apart one of the first threads I was involved in here on FR.
And for what reason?
Never heard a good one.
Or at all.
And he dusted his hands, and walked his merry way to his next adventure.
And started all over again.
We lost quite a few posters who just walked away due to clown posse.
And he was involved there too with his “financial scam” claims even then.
So I really have no idea what years of good anyone is pointing at because all I’ve seen of him was the opposite.

[DJ MacWoW]

You really are confused here.

No. We're not. BobJ tried very hard to harm FR. What's confusing is posters that are friends with him and make no secret of it but claim to love FR.

I know Minute Gal loves FR.

[DoughtyOne]

You really are confused here.

No. We're not.  DJ MacWoW, was I talking to you?  No, I was following a line of thought with another individual, responding to what he had been saying.  Then you jump in with both feet as if I was commenting to more than one person, on a line of reasoning that wasn't exactly what I was referencing.

BobJ tried very hard to harm FR.  And I agreed with this characterization.

What's confusing is posters that are friends with him and make no secret of it but claim to love FR.  It shouldn't confuse you all that much.  People do things because they think they should.  That doesn't mean I think they should.  I have stated that I haven't talked to BobJ for over a year.  When we talked it wasn't about Free Republic.

I've known BobJ since 1998.  I worked with him on a number of projects.  We attended CPAC a couple of times and the inauguration of George Bush in 2001.  We street protested in Los Angeles a number of times.  It was through BobJ I met a number of quality people.  Those people are in some instances still FReepers in good standing.  MinuteGal is one of them.

I know Minute Gal loves FR.  You're right.  She does.

[DoughtyOne]

Rehash. This has been addressed enough times where you can go back and read the other responses. Changing how you say the same old thing over and over might work for you. It becomes tedious for me.

[Darksheare]

Great!
Now say something different.
From your previous responses it seemed you didn’t understand the issue.

As it doesn’t matter one whit how much “good” someone did at some point if they throw it away in order to pull childish, “I’ll show them” crap as he did.

[DJ MacWoW]

You don't seem to understand that he worked against FR for more years than he supported it. I first became aware of the problem in about 2005. I stayed away from him. He also thought "FR is fun for tossing a grenade into a nest of malcontents and watching 'em try to sting something".

I don't know exactly what happened and why he "turned" but he has caused problems ever since. Usually using "friends". It's a sad situation. Truly.

[DoughtyOne]

Great!

Now say something different.  No, I'm going to continue to explain it the way it is.

From your previous responses it seemed you didn’t understand the issue.

Let's see:

I said I didn't agree with what BobJ had done.
I said I wouldn't defend those actions.
I said I hadn't intended to advocate on the forum for BobJ returning.
I explained what I wished were able to take place.
I explained why I thought that was unreasoned based on BobJ's actions.
I explained it was never my intent to advocate with Jim to bring BobJ back.
I explained I didn't even think BobJ wanted to come back.
I explained that I did not disagree with the characterizations made regarding BobJ's actions.
I explained that I didn't not find fault with Jim.
I explained that I did find fault with BobJ's actions.

And from this you gleened that I didn't quite understand the issue.  Seriously.

As it doesn’t matter one whit how much “good” someone did at some point if they throw it away in order to pull childish, “I’ll show them” crap as he did.

Unless you have a cordial relationship with that person that is removed from Free Republic.

Deb and MinuteGal both know BobJ.  They still think highly of him in some ways.  I don't see a problem with that.

Where he does things that are negative concerning Free Republic, I agree that he should be challenged on the matter.

Do so if I am not around.  You'll get no guff from me.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for your comments. I don’t necessarily agree with them, but I don’t mind you coming to a conclusion based on your own observations.

I am not able to pinpoint exactly when BobJ got tweaked.

If your take on it is more accurate than mine, that’s okay.

From having many conversations with BobJ, and working in groups with other respected individuals, and traveling with him for F. R. and working with him to organize events, protests on the streets here in Southern California, from San Diego to La Canada, I have a lot more to go on than mere posts on a forum. I’ve been to his home a number of times. I’ve been there with well respected Freepers.

I won’t defend the defenseless. I will recall times when things were more positive. I’m not the only one who does.

[Darksheare]

I explained it the way it is.
Bobj is scum.
Period.
What more needs to be said?

[DoughtyOne]

BobJ has done some things I don’t approve of. If you wish to call him names have at it.

What more needs to be said? Well I’ll say this. If some time you leave the forum, I won’t be obsessing over it for years.

No matter what you do, I’ll merely address what you did that I disagree with, and leave it at that.

You’ve been free to talk about what you dislike about BobJ. I haven’t challenged you on the complaints you made.

None the less, you still come back very upset like I have been disagreeing with you all along.

It just doesn’t dawn on you that I’m not going to characterize the bad things BobJ did, as anything other than what they were.

So here you are festering over it anyway. How’s that workin’ for ya?

[DJ MacWoW]

It must be hard to know someone and realize there's been such drastic a change. I didn't know anyone personally when I first heard about Clown Posse and anti-FReepers and I was shocked. Quite a few were older signups. I never understood it.

I need to back out and call it a night. Grandkids are coming tomorrow. I'll need energy. lol

[Darksheare]

When you betray the way he did, you lose all right to being given polite courtesy.
Sorry if that bothers you.
But betrayers and liars are rightfully shunned.
As they should be.

[DoughtyOne]

Have fun with the grand-kids.

I’ll say this, I don’t always join in the dust-ups.

If I participate in a long discussion, it’s more likely to be one where someone doesn’t understand me, than hash out group dynamics.

I’m happy for you. Good times ahead...

[DJ MacWoW]

Thanks. I never know whether to cry when the leave or collapse in exhaustion. lol

Night.

[DoughtyOne]

When you betray the way he did, you lose all right to being given polite courtesy.  LOL, where did I agrue otherwise.  What you think of BobJ is your business.  I merely asked you to be respectful to Deb and MinuteGal.

Sorry if that bothers you.  Where do you come up with this?  I haven't argued against your take on BobJ at all.  I have expressed my own dealings with him that are more dynamic that simple forum dynamics.  I haven't faulted your for your take on BobJ.  Do you realize that?

But betrayers and liars are rightfully shunned.  Then shun him.  I don't care if you do or you don't.  You should find your own path on this.  I'm all for it.

As they should be.  Okay, then shun him.  Enjoy.

[AppyPappy]

I have a better idea.

Drink.

[DoughtyOne]

As a guy whose grandchild is out of reach, I suggest you shed tears of happiness, knowing how lucky you are to still have them in your life, and you in theirs.

[Darksheare]

Drink my coffee.
No harm will come to yuo.

[DoughtyOne]

Ooo, I have a 15 pack in the fridge for the first time all year.

Sounds like a plan. First ones a salute to you for the great idea.

[AppyPappy]

For BobJ to be so evil, I sure didn’t know anything about all this stuff. I guess I am just fat, dumb and happy.