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Viral Facebook Post: 'I Didn't Join The Navy To Fight For Al Qaeda In Syria!'
IJ ^ | 9/1/2013 | IJ

Posted on 08/31/2013 11:42:13 PM PDT by Dallas59

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To: Dallas59

Kobayashi Maru


51 posted on 09/01/2013 6:13:15 AM PDT by jaz.357 (Contrary To Ordinary)
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To: null and void
Strange. I thought the Constitution specifically gave congress, not the president, the sole responsibility for declaring war.

True enough. The problem lies, at least in part, in the tendency to call every adventure a war. It's like indiscriminately calling everything surgery, even an outpatient procedure, if it involves a sharp object or a break in the skin.

Additionally, it seems that any lengthy and energetic undertaking is also war, eg, "war on drugs."

52 posted on 09/01/2013 6:15:11 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (Galt's Gulch: it isn't Valley Forge.)
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To: Durus

Bingo!! And that is the point being made. Why the heck are we even CONSIDERING arming and fighting with Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorists who have sworn to destroy the US once they are done with Assad?


53 posted on 09/01/2013 6:17:54 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: RC one

“.... and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States...”

Well, now, that’s interesting because the military’s whole reason to deny Lt Col Terry Lakin his right to defend himself on the charge of disobeying a lawful order was the military’s adamant claim that the President doesn’t issue any orders.


54 posted on 09/01/2013 6:30:26 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: silverleaf

What if they stay in because the country needs people who actually keep their officer’s oath to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic? What then?


55 posted on 09/01/2013 6:34:55 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Dallas59

Obama has no moral authority to lead anything or anyone ,anywhere. No one likes his Muslim Brother organized crime gang, EXCEPT the American government (Democrats and republicans).

No sane person is going to follow Obama into war. Not only because it most likely has nefarious motivations full of his personal agenda, but because he is bent on destroying American, not building us up. WHAT good could come from anything he does, for a sane American?

He is calling the US military HIS military!?!?!?! WHO is going to sacrifice themselves so Obama can play golf?

The progressives have gotten their way, and we are a powerless country to do anything other than raise taxes on US citizens and kill our own people.


56 posted on 09/01/2013 6:36:56 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Typelouder

I double-dog dare them to charge him, based on where the image was uploaded from.

We have a known-forged birth certificate for Obama that was uploaded directly onto the White House website and Obama gave a press conference at the White House saying it was his birth certificate. If having the IP address from which these men’s images were uploaded is enough to prove that they did it, then somebody go arrest this foreign enemy combatant in our White House, because we’ve got more than enough proof that he posted that forged BC.


57 posted on 09/01/2013 6:38:50 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I don’t recall that anyone ordered him to kill civilians.


58 posted on 09/01/2013 6:50:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: eartick

What’s this about Marines stocking depots for the UN?


59 posted on 09/01/2013 7:01:30 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: eartick
You wont find many in the general ranks willing to risk their pensions and jobs in the defense industry. Their wallets are more valuable to them than this country.
By not saying no...they are treasonous scum, just like Obama
60 posted on 09/01/2013 7:02:51 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Active duty/Retiree Ping.

Please put me on the list!

61 posted on 09/01/2013 7:15:02 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: jaz.357

We just need to install a subroutine.


62 posted on 09/01/2013 7:41:52 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: eartick

Heck we have Marines stocking depots in Georgia for the UN.


What? You have a link or something to back that up?


63 posted on 09/01/2013 8:21:46 AM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Does congress need to declare a war? Recall while blamed on Bush, it was Clinton that sign the presumption attack law giving us first strike abilities and the War Power Act widened the view.

Look, the USA belongs fighting in the middle east as much as ice cream should be stored in the cabinet but we have three equal branches of government that missed their government classes on what they were suppose to do.

At this point, the legislative and judicial branches should have outlined their positions yet nothing.

There is no leadership in government, just the worst of us because good people cannot be elected.

Obama stopped only because his poll showed only 8% are interested in this the constant back-peddling from previous positions are noteworthy as Syria has noted they retreated.


64 posted on 09/01/2013 8:25:35 AM PDT by edcoil ("Thoughts become things - Think good ones")
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To: edcoil
Does congress need to declare a war?

Constitutionally, yes. There is no wiggle room. Recall while blamed on Bush, it was Clinton that sign the presumption attack law giving us first strike abilities and the War Power Act widened the view.

Laws do not trump the Constitution. And while Congress has formally allowed the Executive a bit of discretion regarding imminent threats and other emergencies, they retained responsibility by limiting that power temporally.

65 posted on 09/01/2013 8:46:10 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: El Cid

When the King of England issued a royal decree that was regular in its form, and in line with the way the King usually issues orders and decrees, who were the Americans to dispute what the King has validly ruled? After all, the King’s rights were divinely given to him, and therefore, the King could do no wrong.

This works well with organizations that are authority based and only work well when there are no debates in the lower ranks.

But at some point the Colonists said,”Enough is Enough!”

They no longer obeyed the rules of the King.

What is that point for us, in this century?

Who determines the validity of a law when the public disputes the authority of government, and the courts, the executive, and the legislative branches have all decided to ignore the Constitution?

The answer is that the people are allowed to overrule their government.

But half of the population now thinks that their rights come from government, so dispute is not permitted.

The other have are largely quiescent, and will not fight for, or even acknowledge the risk to their rights.

This leaves a minority of people to reassert the rights of the people to dispute the government.

We must all decide for ourselves when enough is enough. Then we must all decide what we will each do about it.

We will continue to fight unjust wars, for illicit purposes, as long as the duty to obey is the primary rule of importance.

I long for the day when freedom is the rule of primary importance.


66 posted on 09/01/2013 8:47:00 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: wintertime
Wouldn’t this pattern of ribbons on his uniform be very unique? Wouldn’t this identify him rather quickly? I know little about this and would appreciate any comments from those that do.

Yep, the ribbons would go a long way towards identifying him. All it would take is noting down the ribbons, and doing a quick service-record database search for the set of people with that set of awards. Then look at the service record photos and see which matches the best (paying particular attention to the ear), and/or who has a connection to the guy whose FaceBook account it was posted under.

If he was smart, he's have removed some of his real ribbons, and added some from a friend.

67 posted on 09/01/2013 8:57:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625; wintertime

ID by the ribbons was the first thing I thought about too. Hope he remains anonymous.


68 posted on 09/01/2013 9:03:11 AM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: Dallas59

My hope is a whole bunch of much higher ranking military personel will do the same and refuse an illegal order.

But I’m afraid the congress is going to cover for him. And for McCain and Graham to say they can’t support a limited strike is just plain BS. Every war starts with the first strike. How the hell can anyone trust obama, and his puppet masters, whether it’s going to be limited or not?


69 posted on 09/01/2013 9:55:24 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: Dallas59

And, by the way, obama will use congress as a cover no matter which way they vote. If they vote at all. I wouldn’t put it past Boner and Pelsosi to “deem” it passed.


70 posted on 09/01/2013 9:56:22 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

When Obama says, “Jump” Boehner says “How High, Mr. President?”


71 posted on 09/01/2013 9:58:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: El Cid

Serious question: Did none of King George’s soldiers join the Patriots?


72 posted on 09/01/2013 10:00:21 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: RC one

The truth of the matter is nothing going on in Syria is a “domestic” or “foriegn” threat.


73 posted on 09/01/2013 10:05:08 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: silverleaf

Great advice. For the higher ranked military officers who can “get out” anytime they want. Enlisted men are stuck serving an American hating muslim from Kenay until their enlistment is up.

And by the way, when you say those serving for the money pretty well describes the higher ranked who could do something about this guy.


74 posted on 09/01/2013 10:08:00 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: sauropod

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75 posted on 09/01/2013 10:10:26 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Typelouder

Anyone who works for the spying agencies that identifies this man is a traitor and should be treated like a traitor SHOULD be treated by George Washington.


76 posted on 09/01/2013 10:12:33 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

You are added.


77 posted on 09/01/2013 10:12:38 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Yosemitest

bm


78 posted on 09/01/2013 10:19:47 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Happily in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

WRONG.


79 posted on 09/01/2013 10:22:32 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: VerySadAmerican
The truth of the matter is nothing going on in Syria is a “domestic” or “foriegn” threat.

Neither was Kosovo. But it was still "bombs away"....Progressives sure loves themselves some war.

80 posted on 09/01/2013 10:24:04 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: volunbeer; Eagles6

No link.

Had a direc conversation with a Sargent Major (believe that is his rank) who is stationed in Georgia at a small base who is married to my niece over drinks one night.

He was over some wharehousing and was headed to Florida for some special training on proper storage of chemical suits for UN personal that are being stored at his facility. I started to quiz him on it and knowing he let the cat out of the bag he started clamming up and tried to change the subject.

All I got.


81 posted on 09/01/2013 11:14:23 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Venturer

“Our military will fight all right, as ordered”

On this one,they should not....

My father was a former DI and I think if he was alive (thank god he is not to see what is happening) he would say to hell with the Muslim in Chief and his rifle would be turned inward.

He was a blood and guts American but to obey this order would go against all that is good as you opine in your post.

How are the boots going to believe a lieing sack of goat droppings that we have as pResident?


82 posted on 09/01/2013 11:27:02 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: butterdezillion

Q: how are you doing that by following orders issued by this administration?

A: You aren’t

tough situation, isn’t it?
Ask LTC Terry Lakin


83 posted on 09/01/2013 11:38:07 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Greenpees
I respect your opinion but these are trying times, we are in a different world now. Heck, I daresay we have become the Evil Empire, something that I predicted in 1983 (wish I was wrong, it was just a question, then, tossed out for discussion) when there would be a day where Russia and the US switch roles. Just following orders that go against the Constitution and the rights of people are illegal and immoral and I stick up for these troops voicing their opinion. Heck, if my (step) nephew is ever drafted, my father (he remarried, my nephew is the son of my step sister) and we would help him go to Canada, Sweden wherever. I know another young man who wanted to join, but his father, a Vietnam Vet, "talked" him put of it saying, "if you do, I'll beat you to a pulp and disown you."

We are a sick country. We have a cancer in our nation. It is known as Obama, the bad economy, overbearing government and running around the world kicking hornet's nests. It did not start with him, it started a long time ago but now we are pouring gasoline on the fire. We are the Evil Empire. Pogo Possum said it all, "we've met the enemy, he is us." Like a cancer patient, we will have to get sicker and endure a lot to get better. Perhaps people like this servicemen and Snowden is the chemo we need.
84 posted on 09/01/2013 12:29:09 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: Nowhere Man
Heck, I daresay we have become the Evil Empire, something that I predicted in 1983 (wish I was wrong, it was just a question, then, tossed out for discussion) when there would be a day where Russia and the US switch roles

Solzhenitsyn saw it coming as well.

85 posted on 09/01/2013 12:30:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Dallas59

That’s racist!!!


86 posted on 09/01/2013 12:37:27 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: silverleaf

To stay in and challenge the lawfulness of the orders is the only way a military officer really CAN keep their oath, it seems.

Not that there’s any chance of it being EFFECTIVE, because the folks like Denise Lind WILL follow the orders they are given, even when it means they have to rule that lawful combat orders can be given without approval by the only person authorized to do so by the Constitution, War Powers Act, and Authorization to Use Force.

At this point I can understand an officer staying in - IF they plan to actually try to keep their oath. And I can understand a non-officer getting out - IF they realize it would be treason against the country to actually keep their oath.

What I CAN’T understand is how any voter with a soul could put these guys in this position.


87 posted on 09/01/2013 12:40:52 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: al_c

They could only identify that it is his uniform. Without a face they can’t prove that it is him in that uniform.


88 posted on 09/01/2013 12:43:09 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: D Rider

Military officers take an oath to the obey Constitution, not the President.

Enlisted members, however, do swear to follow the orders of the President.


89 posted on 09/01/2013 12:48:17 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: butterdezillion

I’m with you, butterdezillion. I’m sure the vast majority of our military men and women share this individual’s opinion. To identify and charge him would further erode morale. Of course, that is probably their goal.


90 posted on 09/01/2013 2:13:53 PM PDT by Typelouder
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To: null and void
Strange. I thought the Constitution specifically gave congress, not the president, the sole responsibility for declaring war.

On that subject, why has McCain said he would vote against it? Isn't he in the Senate?

91 posted on 09/01/2013 2:52:15 PM PDT by fanfan ("If Muslim kids were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war.")
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To: silverleaf

I agree with you.

I don’t envy the men and women of our armed forces their choices nowadays.


92 posted on 09/01/2013 2:54:54 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: eartick

Interesting.


93 posted on 09/01/2013 3:15:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: butterdezillion
They could only identify that it is his uniform. Without a face they can’t prove that it is him in that uniform.

By the ear. The features of the pinna are as distinct as a finger print.

94 posted on 09/01/2013 3:34:34 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: wintertime

Funny thing is, I don’t disagree with anything that many of you have said in reply to my post. I know you’re all patriots and you speak with a burning desire for Americas’ survival. For that alone, I respect you all as brothers. Nonetheless, we’re going to need this military, long after Obama is gone. And as I see it, for a sailor, a soldier or marine who posts such a public defiance of our policy is going too far. We need to stick together. Obama is a blip on the radar.

Could we kick Syria’s ass? Yes. Could we kick Syria’s ass with Russsia backing them? We did it in Afghanistan. Could we kick Russia’s ass? Not without seriously diminishing returns when it comes to our so called “rebels” (see Alqueda). If we want to bomb the shit out of both sides, I’m for it. I think we will need to do just that, at some future time. These are complex decisions. No matter what I think, though, it isn’t up to a Chief to make that determination, at least not on social media.


95 posted on 09/01/2013 3:56:14 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Dallas59

Oh boo hoo hoo. I didn’t join the Army to mow grass but sh*t happens.


96 posted on 09/01/2013 7:11:19 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: null and void

They couldn’t prove that he took the photo. They couldn’t prove that he uploaded it personally.

Obama is on video claiming that the BC posted on the White House website is his BC. It’s a forgery, and he had to have known it because he has no legally valid BC from Hawaii.

If the standard of Trayvon Martin is used, even if they could prove it was uploaded on his account that’s not good enough because his account could have been hacked. If the standard of Obama is applied even if he is on video saying he approves what was posted in his name, it’s not good enough. When you combine all those standards, they would have to prove that he knew that what he was doing was a crime, prove that he clicked the photo personally, and prove that he personally uploaded it for public viewing.


97 posted on 09/01/2013 8:03:40 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Typelouder

I’m surprised Obama hasn’t ordered our officers to wipe his butt yet. It’s about the only desecration he hasn’t done (that we know of...)


98 posted on 09/01/2013 8:06:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: GatorGirl

How can they swear to follow the orders of the President when Judge Denise Lind ruled that the President doesn’t issue any orders?


99 posted on 09/01/2013 8:07:35 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: pookie18

ping


100 posted on 09/01/2013 8:07:36 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (I am Catholic Tea Party Extremist!!!!!)
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