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To: Dallas59

No offense to the good Chief, et al, but STFU. We cannot have our military forces doing this. Obama has caused enough damage without having enlisted people breaking ranks with thier command structure. Enemies see this, not just us. As for Syria, well, I agree with my fellow Chief. I am retired, however, and he is not. If the order does come, we do not mutiny, we just do.


8 posted on 09/01/2013 12:19:09 AM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Greenpees

and if those same military forces were ordered to go door to door taking away guns, bibles and children from US dissidents would you say the same thing?


10 posted on 09/01/2013 12:22:28 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Greenpees

They’re taught not to obey illegal orders and the Nazis were convicted (some executed) after stating “I was just following orders” remember?


11 posted on 09/01/2013 12:22:33 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Greenpees

Lt Calley was just “following orders” at My Lai too...


15 posted on 09/01/2013 12:59:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Greenpees

Unless Congress actually declares war (i.e. not just allowing action)- any action that our military takes is likely to violate some provision of the Geneva or Hague Conventions.
Any order given which violates the conventions (i.e. the ones we are a party to, we didn’t sign them all) is an illegal order.
In the past, we have generally had reason to be involved in certain conflicts, excepting Yugoslavia; we were attacked / an ally was attacked / or treaty provisions were not upheld. Here we have the CinC who simply wants to teach someone a lesson. We have no military objective, we have not been attacked, our allies have not been attacked and no treaty between the US and Syria has been violated. Hell, we can’t even be certain that Assad was even responsible, unless we rely on something seared into our Sec’ of State’s brain ...
Even if Congress DOES declare war, the US would be violating treaties to which we are party and are the law of the land.
No matter which way it goes, if we go over there, our soldiers will be carrying out illegal orders.


20 posted on 09/01/2013 2:01:52 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Greenpees

“If the order does come, we do not mutiny, we just do.”

What we have now is the equivalent of LBJ sending our troops to Viet Nam to fight for the Commies.
How would you fell about that order?
How would you respond to an order to disarm citizens?
Or to machine gun those who don”t comply?

Our military does not exist to protect the President, it exists to protect US from all enemies foreign and domestic.
Right now our worst enemy is domestic.


25 posted on 09/01/2013 2:32:50 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: Greenpees

“If the order does come, we do not mutiny, we just do.”

Whereas I have great respect for the commitment to duty of which you speak, there are most definitely exceptions to the ‘we just do’ credo, even if this particular instance isn’t one of them. The most important duty of the military is to protect the people of the United States, our homeland, and our Constitutional governmental system with its guaranteed individual liberty. When asked to perform an act that is against the above, (like shooting at Americans), ‘we just do’ does not apply. Just commenting though. I know what you meant.


30 posted on 09/01/2013 4:22:17 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Greenpees

those active military that can’t or won’t serve the potus- should leave the military. get out

if they stay in because they “need the money” or are “careerists” then accept that you are paid mercenaries and follow the rules.


31 posted on 09/01/2013 4:33:52 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Greenpees

“...we just do.”

Anything? Really?


35 posted on 09/01/2013 4:45:56 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Greenpees

It’s an illegal order. It is providing aid and comfort to our enemies.


44 posted on 09/01/2013 5:14:59 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Greenpees

Just like every German who turned on the showers at Auschwitz followed orders...


50 posted on 09/01/2013 6:08:47 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Greenpees
I respect your opinion but these are trying times, we are in a different world now. Heck, I daresay we have become the Evil Empire, something that I predicted in 1983 (wish I was wrong, it was just a question, then, tossed out for discussion) when there would be a day where Russia and the US switch roles. Just following orders that go against the Constitution and the rights of people are illegal and immoral and I stick up for these troops voicing their opinion. Heck, if my (step) nephew is ever drafted, my father (he remarried, my nephew is the son of my step sister) and we would help him go to Canada, Sweden wherever. I know another young man who wanted to join, but his father, a Vietnam Vet, "talked" him put of it saying, "if you do, I'll beat you to a pulp and disown you."

We are a sick country. We have a cancer in our nation. It is known as Obama, the bad economy, overbearing government and running around the world kicking hornet's nests. It did not start with him, it started a long time ago but now we are pouring gasoline on the fire. We are the Evil Empire. Pogo Possum said it all, "we've met the enemy, he is us." Like a cancer patient, we will have to get sicker and endure a lot to get better. Perhaps people like this servicemen and Snowden is the chemo we need.
84 posted on 09/01/2013 12:29:09 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: Greenpees

>> If the order does come, we do not mutiny, we just do.

The “I was just following orders” defense does not work and hasn’t worked since 1945. No one signed up to be Al Qaeda’s air force. We don’t need regime change in Syria. We need regime change in Washington DC.


107 posted on 09/02/2013 5:14:09 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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