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Bar owner must pay banned transgender group
The Socialist-Review ^ | 1 September 2013

Posted on 09/01/2013 11:53:17 AM PDT by narses

PORTLAND – A Portland bar owner has been ordered to pay about $400,000 to a group of transgendered people he banned from his establishment last year.

The Bureau of Labor and Industries civil rights division imposed the penalty against Chris Penner, owner of the Twilight Room Annex, the Oregonian reported Friday.

Eleven people will share in the penalty, with amounts ranging from $20,000 to $50,000.

It’s the first penalty imposed under the 2007 Oregon Equality Act, which protects the rights of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Oregonians in employment, housing and public places. Some other complaints ended in settlements.

The bureau’s civil rights division began investigating the bar formerly known as The P Club last year after Penner left a voice message for one of the T-Girls, a social group for transgendered people that went to the bar on Friday nights.

According to the complaint filed with the bureau, the message said: “People think that a.) We’re a tranny bar, or b.) We’re a gay bar. We are neither. People are not coming in because they just don’t want to be here on a Friday night now.”

The complaint listed 11 aggrieved persons, 10 of whom present as women. Their legal names are not given.

The T-Girls said they were devastated and humiliated. They said they went to the bar every Friday for two years because they felt safe there – the bartender treated them well, and bouncers walked them to their cars as they left.

“The individuals had found a place at the P Club where they found they could share their lives, their stories,” Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian said. “When that is stripped away, that is an indignity that is severe.”

Penner denied last year that he is biased but said other customers complained that the T-Girls left the stall doors open and seats up in the women’s restrooms and business had dropped.

Penner’s lawyer, Jonathan Radmacher, said his client was not surprised by the decision: Avakian brought the complaint, and his deputy affirmed it.

“The writing was on the wall,” Radmacher said, “but we went through the process because we thought it was important that the facts came out.”


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1 posted on 09/01/2013 11:53:17 AM PDT by narses
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2 posted on 09/01/2013 11:53:31 AM PDT by narses
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To: narses

Drunk trannies - 1

Normal people - 0


3 posted on 09/01/2013 11:56:24 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: narses

Looks like the deviants are leading the way to a police state.


4 posted on 09/01/2013 11:56:31 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Gabrial

Sad.


5 posted on 09/01/2013 11:57:07 AM PDT by narses
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To: skeeter

And what a police state!


6 posted on 09/01/2013 11:57:21 AM PDT by narses
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To: narses
We reserve the right to refuse service
7 posted on 09/01/2013 11:57:29 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: narses

Just give them crappy service & see how long they stay around.


8 posted on 09/01/2013 11:57:55 AM PDT by Digger
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To: narses
I hope the bar just closes and the guy declares bankruptcy....these creeps just wanted some money....period...

how can you have a social bar where men expect to meet women and women expect to meet men, and you have a subset that is dressing like one, acting like the other, desiring who knows what....

bankruptcy can be your friend...

9 posted on 09/01/2013 11:58:31 AM PDT by cherry
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To: narses

...so if I’m a drunk (which is a disability under the Americans with disabilities act), bars and liquor stores are required to sell to me?


10 posted on 09/01/2013 11:58:40 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Digger
Just give them crappy service & see how long they stay around.---

They said they went to the bar every Friday for two years because they felt safe there – the bartender treated them well, and bouncers walked them to their cars as they left.

Apparently their first mistake was treating them like proper customers.

11 posted on 09/01/2013 12:01:46 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: narses

Freedom only applies to LGBTQ.

I feel bad for business owners. They are slaves to agenda groups.


12 posted on 09/01/2013 12:01:48 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: narses

Refuse.


13 posted on 09/01/2013 12:04:19 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: narses

The P Club

With a name like that I’m not surprised they attracted freaks.


14 posted on 09/01/2013 12:05:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: narses

What ever happened to “We Reserve thr Right to Refuse Service to Anyone”?

I see those signs in businesses all the time!


15 posted on 09/01/2013 12:08:16 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: narses

Since when does a bar belong to the PATRONS? Good grief.

It’s a freaking BAR. It’s not a place they’re even RENTING. It’s made out like it’s their sanctuary and the evil landowner kicked them out in the cold and there’s no other place in the world they can be perverts in.

What about one of the eleven’s HOMES?!?!? Have your damn gathering at somebody’s HOME, and switch homes every week?!?!

A bunch of guys doing this is not itself inherently a club. I hope these people get Liberty Counsel or Alliance Defense Fund to help with their case.


16 posted on 09/01/2013 12:09:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: skeeter

They already did that once. They thought they would be in charge but the guys who actually got power using their help turned around and put them in concentration camps. Pink triangles, anyone?


17 posted on 09/01/2013 12:10:16 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: dalereed

I wold strongly suggest to all business owners that these signs are in their windows, above your checkout areas/where you service customers, and included in any written contracts you use.


18 posted on 09/01/2013 12:11:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: narses
Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian

I wonder if this guy is related to Bob Avakian, leader of the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party?

19 posted on 09/01/2013 12:13:09 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: narses

All that civil rights acts crap rush and beck andany here laud led directly to this


20 posted on 09/01/2013 12:13:26 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: dalereed
What ever happened to “We Reserve thr Right to Refuse Service to Anyone”?

I thought it was pretty much universal. Where liquor is sold, the proprietor has the right to refuse service to anyone, anytime.

21 posted on 09/01/2013 12:14:32 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: RginTN

Now you know how Moses felt..


22 posted on 09/01/2013 12:15:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: narses
Hang the "Closed" sign on the door. Not worth it.

I live in a place known as "The Cattle Capitol Of The Southwest".

Not one bar, not one honky-tonk left.

All run out of business by the new prohibitionists

The cops would come by marking tires, wait in the parking lot, then wait to jack up the drivers.

At the same time, they would plant undercover officers inside, counting drinks served to customers. They would also hire 20-year-olds who looked 45 to walk into the package store to buy booze.

Every time they jacked up a customer or an employee, the owner would get jacked up times 10.

The bar owners finally gave up and sold their liquor licenses to WalMart or Walgreens.

23 posted on 09/01/2013 12:15:53 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: narses

So you have to accommodate such undesirables, even though they will drive away your regular business? Ain’t that sweet...


24 posted on 09/01/2013 12:17:17 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: skeeter

Looks like the deviants are leading the way to a police state.

Don’t worry the Deviants will be immediately purged once the Police State is firmly in place...

History is circular...


25 posted on 09/01/2013 12:21:03 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: narses
And what a police state!

Fabulous?

26 posted on 09/01/2013 12:26:06 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: narses; skeeter

and its going to be such a FAbULOUS police state!


27 posted on 09/01/2013 12:31:17 PM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: narses
Hard to tell Crossdressers with Trannys. Both are looking for sex. Regular patrons will be turned off from the place when 100's of these people show up cruising.


28 posted on 09/01/2013 12:34:23 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: narses

Faggoty Ass Holes.

So the way forward for you is to bankrupt companies? All in the name of diversity?

What about this isn’t perversity?


29 posted on 09/01/2013 12:34:54 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: narses

Nobody knows how to do business anymore. Pictures of that bar show that there is no way they can possibly pay $400k, so the trannies have effectively killed their business. So the trannies will now move to the next bar to shut it down through extortion as well.

If the bar owner was smart, how many ‘tough guys’ could he have pulled in on Friday nights? Offer some drink specials to people who would take issue with trannies. Problem solved, with little or no liability to the bar. After giving some of the perverts a thrashing in the parking lot, they would take their business elsewhere.

Not only would it only cost a few thousand, but he would make the money back with his new customers.


30 posted on 09/01/2013 12:37:35 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: narses
I think it would be instructive for the LGBTAWETCTCT 'community' (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual and whatever else they choose to call themselves) to review the history of fascism and socialism, as history tends to repeat.

They would be wise to note that the early leadership of the SA in Germany was 'butch' homosexual. As the Nazis tried to reach a much larger, more 'normal' group, there was the problem of 'butches' at the top of the SA. Between June 30-July 2, 1934, many of these were killed. In the end, homosexuals, both 'butch' and 'femme', were forced to wear pink triangles and many were sent to concentration camps.

In the 'Obamaworld' that we seem headed towards, the 'T-girls', as the article calls them, would be wise to stay quiet, for their own good, and be careful what they wish for!

31 posted on 09/01/2013 12:39:51 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was lost but now I'm found; blind but now I see.)
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To: narses
"and bouncers walked them to their cars as they left"

Stop giving them special treatment. They want to be treated live anyone else, so let them fend for themselves.

32 posted on 09/01/2013 12:41:10 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Dallas59
Hard to tell Crossdressers with Trannys. Both are looking for sex.

No, but it'd pretty easy to pick em out of a crowd and have them committed to a "fenced in" community where they could send the sexually-insane perverts, instead of a stupid "sex offender list" where they still roam free.

33 posted on 09/01/2013 12:41:17 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: narses
Am I to assume that if a group of regular customers who came in wearing Confederate uniforms and carrying the Confederate flag caused the establishment to lose business from its liberal marxist customers, the courts would award said Confederates significant bucks for being ‘devistated and humiliated’?

I wish some people would conduct such a test case to illustrate the hypocracy and lunacy of the left.

34 posted on 09/01/2013 12:42:06 PM PDT by Paulie
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

He could ban the trannies for starting fights.

The thrashers would probably do it for free (and a little blind-eye cover)


35 posted on 09/01/2013 12:44:21 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: narses

That’s gay


36 posted on 09/01/2013 12:56:58 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: narses

Not your fault for this ineresting post result but.
Paraphraing the bar owner’s lawyer The writing is on the wall the lawyer said but we did it because we wanted Oregonians to know...From the looks of where these postings are comming from they still don’t Would be interested in what someone from that area has to say ...No mention of appeal


37 posted on 09/01/2013 1:00:11 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: narses

When it comes to the sociopolitical sacred cows (causes) of liberals like, there is no more corrupt legal regime in place in this entire country than what has been demonstrated time and again in Oregon, and Portland in particular. Be it abortion, taxes, pornography, homosexuality, ad nauseam.


38 posted on 09/01/2013 1:03:51 PM PDT by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: BenLurkin

> The P Club

With a name like that I’m not surprised they attracted freaks.

The Pedophile Club?


39 posted on 09/01/2013 1:06:50 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Dallas59

The mainstreaming of mental illness continues.......


40 posted on 09/01/2013 1:11:56 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: narses

Too many lawyers are destroying America. They’re the enablers of everything that is wrong with society.

That doesn’t mean all lawyers are bad — just too many of them are dirtbags.


41 posted on 09/01/2013 1:18:39 PM PDT by boycott
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To: narses
Alas, Brave New Babylon

(link to the Free Republic thread)


42 posted on 09/01/2013 1:19:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: narses; All

I don’t see any indication in the article that the bar owner banned transgender groups on the basis of his religious beliefs or other rights protected by the Constitution. And if constitutionally protected rights were not violated by this Oregon law then this is not a 14th Amendment issue imo.

If the citizens of Oregon don’t like this law then it’s up to them to work with their local and state lawmakers to make such laws more citizen-friendly.

And citizens in other states who don’t want such situations to happen in their states better get off of their couches and work with their local and state government prepresentatives to make state laws which compliment their constitutionally protected rights.


43 posted on 09/01/2013 1:26:20 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: JimRed

That struck me too. Other customers stopped going there, thinking it was a gay or trans-whatever establishment. Interesting to think about what rights, if any, the business owner has, if a group of oddballs gives his place a bad reputation.

Apparently the business owner has very few legal rights in this situation. He has to service the trans-whatever group, even if a critical mass of such people drive away others.


44 posted on 09/01/2013 1:34:48 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: skeeter

Oregon has been this way for decades.


45 posted on 09/01/2013 1:43:51 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: narses

“The T-Girls said they were devastated and humiliated.”

You ever notice that its always a case of devastation and humiliation. etc. with lefty groups? Not just gay groups, but pretty much every left wing group that is unhappy about something. It’s never “we don’t like this” or “we are unhappy about that”, but outraged, humiliated, put upon in manner most cruel, etc. Frankly, the histrionics involved often irritate me more than whatever the underlying issue happens to be in these cases.


46 posted on 09/01/2013 1:52:29 PM PDT by DemforBush (Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

> If the bar owner was smart, how many ‘tough guys’ could he have pulled in on Friday nights? Offer some drink specials to people who would take issue with trannies. Problem solved, with little or no liability to the bar. After giving some of the perverts a thrashing in the parking lot, they would take their business elsewhere.

^ I think this sums up my feelings about the best solution


47 posted on 09/01/2013 1:54:24 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Tzimisce

I think the next time this happens, the friers and grill should mysteriously stop working. Just kick everyone out, and open again the next day.

Sooner or later the public is going to get real tired of this dog and pony show.


48 posted on 09/01/2013 1:55:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: narses

People pollution is bad for business. They wanted to destroy his business.

He needs to spend a hundred grand and let contracts on all the wackos and their lawyers.


49 posted on 09/01/2013 1:56:12 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: wardaddy

“All that civil rights acts crap rush and beck andany here laud led directly to this”

That’s how I think about this, too. If the government can tell any private business who he has to serve then the government can tell the business to serve anybody. I would love to hear a logical argument on why this is bad but the government forcing a business to serve blacks is good.


50 posted on 09/01/2013 1:57:59 PM PDT by suthener
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