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WH confident on winning Hill support on Syria but uses 'flood the zone' to get votes
Fox News.com ^ | Sep. 2, 2013 | Fox News

Posted on 09/02/2013 5:38:34 AM PDT by chemicalman

The Obama administration, bolstered by evidence the Syrian government used lethal sarin gas on its own people, expressed confidence Sunday that Congress would back President Obama’s decision for a military strike on the Middle East country.

The comment underscored the risk Obama took in deciding over the weekend to seek approval from Congress, a step King argues he didn't need to take.

Kerry told “Fox News Sunday” that he couldn’t imagine Congress would “turn its back” on Israel or other U.S. allies in the region and on the Syrians slaughtered in the Aug. 21 chemical weapon attack, allegedly ordered by President Bashar al-Assad.

“I can't contemplate that Congress would turn its back on all of that responsibility,” Kerry said. “I don’t believe Congress will do that.”

Kerry’s comments and the White House blitz were the latest in a series of dramatic turn of events since the chemical weapon attack two weeks ago outside Damascus that killed more than 1,400 people including hundreds of women and children.

The White House official confirms on Sunday the president called Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain over the weekend to invite him to the White House on Monday, the same day Obama will hold another conference call with House members.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; US: Arizona; US: South Carolina; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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If McCain is involved, the outcome isn't going to be good.
1 posted on 09/02/2013 5:38:34 AM PDT by chemicalman
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To: chemicalman

McCain would be a good VP for Obama.

They BOTH hate Americans, hate the Constitution,
and LOVE al Qaeda and their crucifixions, slavery,
murders, rapes and, of course, cannibalism.


2 posted on 09/02/2013 5:41:07 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: chemicalman

I just watched this idiot King on Fox.

This stupid a-hole is going to vote to bomb Syria.

What good is electing people like this.
A Republican voting to back Muslims who are killing Christians.
He shouted for regime change when we all know what that change will be.
Is he crazy or just plain stupid.?

How is getting rid of Assad a good thing when he will be replaced by a Muslim dictatorship?


3 posted on 09/02/2013 5:43:02 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: chemicalman

The WH shouldn’t be counting their chickens before they hatch. I see odumo as putting the blame (current and future) squarely on the shoulders of Congress. Odumbo will never shoulder the responsibility OR the blame and will continue to vote “present” to avoid having any decision outcome related to him, that is unless things turn our well and then it was his decision all along.


4 posted on 09/02/2013 5:43:08 AM PDT by Progov
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To: chemicalman

I think the fix is in on this matter already, but I don’t know in which direction.

Party loyalty is strong on the dark side. Most of the GOP are driven by short term electoral interest.


5 posted on 09/02/2013 5:44:14 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: chemicalman

On the list of the top twenty US issues and problems....this probably rates near number 75. For this reason, I suspect that the vote won’t go well, and several Republicans and Democrats will agree to table the mess...rather than put it to a vote and embearess the President.

As for Senator McCain...he’s become some roving I-gotta-an-answer Hollywood-wannabe-Senator. He should have retired at his peak in the late 1990s, and simply wrote a couple of books. Currently, I wouldn’t regard his beliefs or agenda as worth discussing.

And as for Syria? Well....there’s just something about this gas-episode that doesn’t add up. If you were ahead in the game and doing well against the civil war crowd....why screw things up? It just sounds like some baby-milk-factory episode, if you ask me...made for journalism.


6 posted on 09/02/2013 5:46:53 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: chemicalman

I hear Obama is really wanting to punish Assad. Instead of seeking authority from Congress to use cruise missiles on Damascus, he’s gonna ask Congress to pass Obamacare for Syria.


7 posted on 09/02/2013 5:47:54 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: chemicalman

If you have to say you’re confident, you’re not.


8 posted on 09/02/2013 5:53:35 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: chemicalman

I don’t think my Congresswoman is set up to receive our feedback: you can’t email her and her messages are full


9 posted on 09/02/2013 5:57:36 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: chemicalman

Kansas Senator Jerry Moran’s statement on the issue:

“Congress will soon use its Constitutionally-vested power to debate and vote on whether to intervene in Syria. America cannot afford another conflict that taxes our resources without achieving goals that advance American interests, and I will not support authorizing military action against Syria at this time.”


10 posted on 09/02/2013 6:03:57 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: chemicalman

Obama The Great has evolved from an Indonesian madrasa student, to dope smoking champion Choomer, Community Organizer, to President of the USA.

Now he thinks he is President and chief law enforcement officer of the world.


11 posted on 09/02/2013 6:07:07 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: chemicalman

I just emailed my congressman and told him point blank a big HELL NO on the WPA resolution. I told him not one American life, not one airplane, not one cruise missile, not one bullet is worth expending in trying to help the Muslim Brotherhood overtake another bunch of Muslims.


12 posted on 09/02/2013 6:07:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: chemicalman

How long before senators and congressmen who oppose an attack on Syria are accused of not backing Obama because he is black and they are racists?

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5........


13 posted on 09/02/2013 6:10:08 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: chemicalman

It must be made absolutely clear that any member of Congress that votes to declare war on Syria and involve the United states in a Mideast war will be aggressively punished.


14 posted on 09/02/2013 6:11:18 AM PDT by allendale
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To: pepsionice

As for Senator McCain...he’s become some roving I-gotta-an-answer Hollywood-wannabe-Senator. He should have retired at his peak in the late 1990s

I didn’t know this a**hat ever had a peak. The one thing I do know is this a-hole will be one as long as he has one.


15 posted on 09/02/2013 6:15:42 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: chemicalman

As of 9:09 a.m. (eastern)day’s Washington Post readers’ poll was like this:

Today’s Opinions poll
Should the U.S. intervene militarily in Syria?

No 78%

Yes 22%

20585 people have taken this poll.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions


16 posted on 09/02/2013 6:16:47 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: yldstrk

“America cannot afford another conflict that taxes our resources without achieving goals that advance American interests, and I will not support authorizing military action against Syria at this time.”


This is all fine and very righteous and such but would this guy say the same thing about Iran’s nuclear weapons use in the near future—that use of such against a neighbor like, say, Saudi Arabia would not really stunt the “advance” of American interests so let ‘em use their bomb—??

As I’ve said before, even a minute before Flight 10 hit the tower it was easier to argue that nothing going on in Afghanistan engaged “American interests.” But then Americans had to choose whether to burn to death or jump 89 floors.


17 posted on 09/02/2013 6:24:46 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: chemicalman
Kerry told “Fox News Sunday” that he couldn’t imagine Congress would “turn its back” on Israel or other U.S. allies in the region and on the Syrians slaughtered
Screw you Frenchie. Not our problem.

18 posted on 09/02/2013 6:32:24 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: chemicalman

Suddenly the Clown wants to work on a holiday?? AND he wants to get the input of Congress??

Don’t make me laugh.


19 posted on 09/02/2013 6:35:22 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Lawgvr1955

That would do more damage.


20 posted on 09/02/2013 6:35:56 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: PaleoBob

apples and oranges, paleo

use your crystal ball


21 posted on 09/02/2013 6:37:31 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: chemicalman
No blood for Al Qaeda!
22 posted on 09/02/2013 6:39:49 AM PDT by rintense
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To: Diogenesis

“McCain would be a good VP for Obama.

They BOTH hate Americans, hate the Constitution,
and LOVE al Qaeda and their crucifixions, slavery,
murders, rapes and, of course, cannibalism.”

They are both legends in their own minds.


23 posted on 09/02/2013 6:51:06 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: pepsionice

“And as for Syria? Well....there’s just something about this gas-episode that doesn’t add up. If you were ahead in the game and doing well against the civil war crowd....why screw things up? It just sounds like some baby-milk-factory episode, if you ask me...made for journalism.”

Exactly. Unless Assad is a total idiot or out of control of his forces, this doesn’t add up. Only thing I could think of is he thought Russia would give him cover for it.


24 posted on 09/02/2013 6:54:17 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: chemicalman
All congressmen should look long and hard at who actually used the chemicals, before making any decisions. This is the 4th article I've seen so far about the rebels using them, and not the Syrian army.

Breaking news: Rebels admit gas attack result of mishandling chemical weapons

25 posted on 09/02/2013 6:55:27 AM PDT by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: chemicalman

The House should be very clear that a resounding “NO!” means NO!

It actually goes far beyond just this aggression into a nation where the US has ZERO national interest. The real issue is the unconstitutional power that has been taken by a hundred years of US presidents.

It began at the start of the “progressive era” under Teddy Roosevelt. In a show of machismo and belligerence, Roosevelt wanted to send the new US navy, bristling with battleships, around the world, to, in effect, try to intimidate and menace the entire world.

And congress said No! Congress refused to break the bank and give Roosevelt a blank check to intimidate the rest of the world. The US was already a world power because we *had* the navy. But Teddy Roosevelt wanted us to in effect rule the world.

Roosevelt did not capitulate. Instead he ordered the US Navy to go to the other side of the world. Halfway.

“If congress wants a navy, then they must pay to bring them back.” Such was his unprincipled arrogance.

While congress agreed to pay for the return of the US navy, the result was *not* what Roosevelt expected. The rest of the world did not cower before our might, but instead began building their own battleship navies. And submarine navies. And even some of the first aircraft carriers.

The end result of which was that when the opportunity for World War I presented itself, the carnage was staggering.

However, and this is the important part, the US president taking the power of appropriations for the military away from congress was an awful precedent; which Woodrow Wilson followed up with a rubber stamp war from congress in World War I.

Right now, Obama is considering a poorly thought out scheme against one small part of an axis of nations opposed by an alliance of nations, not unlike World War I.

Syria is aligned with the eastern half of Lebanon and Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, and with considerable Shiite sympathies in Iraq.

The Syrian rebels have the support of Saudi Arabia, France, Egypt, some degree of support from Pakistan, Chechnya, Iraq’s Sunnis, and marginal support from the US and England.

The Turks, Kurds, western Lebanese, Hamas in Gaza, Fatah in the West Bank, Jordan, Yemen, and several European nations are off to the side, but might get dragged in.

All the players want to drag Israel in.

The best outcome we can hope for is that this mess continues until Syria is a smoking hole, and that Iranian and Russian weapons are destroyed as soon as they get there.

But the US must avoid throwing our hand it if at all possible. Our efforts should be in keeping other hands *out* of Syria as well.


26 posted on 09/02/2013 6:58:41 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

They say they can’t impeach Obama. They are unable to repeal Obamacare. Well, here is an opportunity to deliver a beat down to Obama that is long overdue, and that he quite clearly deserves. He has dissed Congress for a term of a half now. He has been doing end-arounds, and crapping on the Constitution. Congress should now deliver Obama a vote of no confidence on this one.


27 posted on 09/02/2013 6:58:46 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: chemicalman
Why we are even considering any action is beyond me. We should not be wasting any more American lives fighting for people that hate us. If something needs to be done then pressure should be brought to bear on the Arab League to solve their own problem. We have no national interest in Syria other then to save face.
28 posted on 09/02/2013 7:03:06 AM PDT by JayAr36 (When an American dies Obama lies. And lies, and lies and lies forever.)
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To: chemicalman

McCain met with the rebels. Aiding the enemy. Probably the one that got them the chem weapons. Lock him away, guys.

29 posted on 09/02/2013 7:06:35 AM PDT by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: chemicalman

Every Republican should simply vote “Present.” Let the Democrats take sole responsibility for this fiasco. If the Democrats vote to authorize military action, they will have to explain themselves to the American people. If they vote against military action, Obama will throw the biggest hissy fit anyone has ever seen.


30 posted on 09/02/2013 7:11:49 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: fhayek

I agree with you, but Congress seems to run along hidden lines these days. I don’t know what’s going on in the backrooms.


31 posted on 09/02/2013 7:11:59 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Venturer
I just watched this idiot King on Fox. This stupid a-hole is going to vote to bomb Syria.

Perhaps it will finally cause something to blow up in his face and stir folks to more vigorous action to put us on the right track. Pretty sad deal when the worst case scenario might be the best case in the long run...

32 posted on 09/02/2013 7:15:37 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

A well-stated and information post. Thank you!


33 posted on 09/02/2013 7:29:22 AM PDT by melissa_in_ga (Laz would hit it.)
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To: chemicalman

Syria already said they would attack Israel if we attack them.....I believe them.


34 posted on 09/02/2013 7:37:39 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: chemicalman

I would say that if the Republicans go along with this that they are dead to me, but I already threw the shroud on them months ago.


35 posted on 09/02/2013 7:40:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Ann Archy

Maybe that’s what Obama is counting on...


36 posted on 09/02/2013 7:53:18 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Venturer

How do republicans think that this will help them in 2014?
It would be Obamas luck that the house goes democrat because the republicans get voted out because they voted for authorization.


37 posted on 09/02/2013 8:18:06 AM PDT by tshaun
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To: Venturer
How is getting rid of Assad a good thing when he will be replaced by a Muslim dictatorship?

Egypt certainly worked well for Obozo the clown. What a guy - no experience other than scooping Baskins Robbins ice cream at age 17.
38 posted on 09/02/2013 8:23:37 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: chemicalman

“Flood the zone”? Is that politician thug speak for “blackmail them with their NSA files”?


39 posted on 09/02/2013 8:38:34 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Venturer

“The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.” Psalm 18:4

Trying to drum up support for a new war and tossing around references likening the effort to a ‘flood’ should be avoided by these Belshazzar’s occupying the white house,

God uses the same idioms to refer to war and of how the end would come,

“So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.” Isaiah 59:19

And as recorded in Daniel, this happened in August of 70 AD, and will happen again:

“and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
Daniel 9:26


40 posted on 09/02/2013 9:52:45 AM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: chemicalman

None of this has anything to do with a gas attack. Except that Obama is full of hot air and went off teleprompter.

McCain is just a damned brainwashed traitor.


41 posted on 09/02/2013 12:28:09 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Progov

He doesn’t have to vote in any way. The congress will fold, the war will start and not end before his term is over, and the media will blame the R hawks like McCain. McCain will take it, cuz, you know... he’s a maverick.

Just like the sequester that OBAMA set forth, no one in the media blamed Obama, they blamed the R’s and the GOPe did not fire back.

The R’s are disguised Dems who take the beating. It’s a one party system. One party rules, the other party takes the blame to make the dems look good.

I swear, I think so many R’s are just paid palooka’s.


42 posted on 09/02/2013 12:40:22 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Tell McCain not to forget his pom poms when he visits Obama.


43 posted on 09/02/2013 1:20:56 PM PDT by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: Lawgvr1955
it seems that the current prez just wants to make it easier for his friends the muzzie brotherhood....

he's going to finish off our country in one fell swope..

44 posted on 09/03/2013 7:32:56 PM PDT by cherry
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