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Posted on 09/08/2013 6:06:11 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists
A cold Arctic summer has led to a record increase in the ice cap, leading experts to predict a period of global cooling.
By Hayley Dixon
9:55AM BST 08 Sep 2013
There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.
In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.
The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.
A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.
If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming. The news comes several years after it was predicted that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
I can't wait....
just like the weather in some parts
They will say that it was because of Global Warming.
A forum I frequent that has a subset of true believers are quite depressed and are trying to explain it away.
A disturbingly abnormal period of calmness has emerged due to...
Welcome King Barack "Canute" Obama the Great.....
...Obama issues an Executive Order to the Sun...
....to increase it's magnetic field....
and make a good crop of sunspots before elections in 2016....
(PhysOrg.com) -- Sunspot formation is triggered by a magnetic field, which scientists say is steadily declining. They predict that by 2016 there may be no remaining sunspots, and the sun may stay spotless for several decades.
The last time the sunspots disappeared altogether was in the 17th and 18th century, and coincided with a lengthy cool period on the planet known as the Little Ice Age....and lasted 400 years.
Good luck surviving with no electricity and GE modified seeds.
“It will be a thing to watch if we don’t get any hurricanes this season. What will be their explanation?”
Well, typically in the past, it would be evidence of human-induced global warming. Now it’s evidence of human induced catastrophic climate change, with only the negative effects of a lack of hurricanes mentioned.
Yeah... I know. How pathetic they look.
NOAA will simply reclassify what constitutes a hurricane down to the level of a local thunderstorm and pronounce themselves right all along.
These global warmists are pathetic.
These scientists are a bit like the weatherman on TV.
They cannot tell from one day to the next what is happening.
All of their instruments and all of their knowledge and they predict a clear day and it rains.
The best predictor is to look out the window when you get up.
Yep... and algore continues to get rich.
“This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow, and our planet began to heal.” - Barack Obama 2008
By golly he’s done it.
I don’t know how many of you here remember but there was an episode of the Beverly Hillbillies from the 1960s that reminds me of all this. I looked it up and according to TV.com it aired in 1964 and this is their synopsis
Granny Versus the Weather Bureau
Granny gets tired of the weather girl on TV saying that the weather is going to be clear when it is actually going to rain. She has ways to correctly measure the weather, mainly her weather beetle, Cecil. She confronts the head meteorologist of the U.S Weather Bureau but without luck. Jed goes down to speak to him and mentions the name Daisy, making Addison thinks he means Hurricane Daisy, and tells of the plan to get rid of her. After the misunderstanding it cleared up, Addison heads to the Clampett mansion to show a movie about how the weather is measured in modern times. But when the movie ends, it starts to rain, just as Granny predicted. The next day, the Weather Bureau receives many calls of complaint, and Addison guarantees that the weather prediction will be right from now on Granny gave him tips and her weather beetle.
They will find some horrible situation on which to blame lack of hurricanes and sunspots. Perhaps the "excess ice" in the Arctic.
Well the excuse du jour will be “global warming messed up our global warming projections so we had to take that into account when projecting global warming.......”
And Bush's fault. And yours, because you don't drive a Prius or a Smart car.
Listen to grandpa when he tells you weather runs in 33 year cycles....and save everyone a bunch of chicken little crap.
He'll say it's a well understood natural processs... that aircraft at high altitude use it to reach even higher altitude and spacecraft use the process to achieve higher speeds by using a planets gravitational force like a slingshot.
OK!! Everybody pay attention!
Lesson for today:
1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.
2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls our climates.
3. The earth is a rock.
4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.
5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.
Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?
What are you talking about? They have already named hurricanes up through "G", Gabrielle. Of course, every single one of them have been nothingburgers.
Nowadays, anything with a wind over 30 mph they give a name for a hurricane. They don't actually wait until it actually becomes one. That way, when you look back into the history, there have been all kinds of hurricanes. Forget about the fact none of their winds ever achieved 50 mph. But it still all counts towards the Global Warming scare and the ongoing hype.
It's a scam. We should be at Abby and waiting and heading to the beach, not Gabrielle and waiting breathlessly and heading for cover...
Warming - Cooling — WHAT DIFFERENCE Does it MAKE????????
Translation: "We can't sustain the Global Warming propaganda and we're going to lose our government grant - LOOK CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!"
You just don’t understand. See... we are really, really smart and everything we say is fact and truth. Oh you are so dumb to question us. So start believing us and trust us. We know what we are talking about!
Hugs and kisses,
An AGW Climate Scientist
The fact is they don’t know sh!t. Modeling our planet’s climate is massively complicated and well beyond any current capabilities and technologies.
They can only make very crude predictions based on faulty data and limited modeling capabilities which are subject to gross errors. They are completely misrepresenting a “roll of the dice” guess with absolute fact.
Ya. And forget predicting rain next week, next month, a year from now, 10 years from now....
But the climate is changing, right? So... Yeah.
Yup. And a way siphon off massive amounts of money from the middle class.
They can only make very crude predictions based on faulty data and limited modeling capabilities which are subject to gross errors. They are completely misrepresenting a roll of the dice guess with absolute fact.
Not to make the obvious point, but “they” make predictions based on factors that have very little influence at all - the activities of mankind. They ignore the biggest factor of all, the sun, and even ignore natural events (volcanic eruptions - natural climate cycles) that dwarf the activities of man.
To add insult to injury, they are not only completely wrong and inept, they convince legislators that the only way to control the problem is to tax the inconsequential activities of man, do away with the inconsequential activities of man, or give special preferences (loans and tax breaks) to “green energy” benefitting the people that bankroll the idea that man is responsible.
Exactly! The sun! Duh!
Have you seen the article on Junk Science. The author claims that CO2 makes a very small contribution to global temperatures and the human contribution of that CO2 is a small percentage. A small percentage of a small percentages leaves very small amount.
The primary source is water.
If they were honest and admintted the truths, they’d have more credibility (IMO). But they lie, fudge the data, and make claims that are asbolutely false.
Environmentalism has become an industry that benefits the select few - look at the wealth of Al Gore now vs when he was a simple Senator. The movement uses it’s well-meaning if ill-informed mob as cover, but those behind the scenes are the ones that make money with green energy. They have gotten the legislature to participate because they advocate for more taxes on energy use. These taxes give politicians more money to spend so they make more money.
Environmentalism has become a fraud and the majority of green mobs, who truly mean well, don’t comprehend that they have their own insidious version of the fat-cats in smoke filled back rooms pulling the strings and profiting.
A “scientific” fact about the “global warming” movement: it will end up in a huge tax.
I don’t understand it: why do Liberals want to take wealth away from the middle class? Low cost energy has made this country great and has provided wealth to all.
It must be the zealotry that you mention.
This is gonna hit ‘ol Al’s pocket book pretty hard not to mention what it will do to his liquor cabinet....
Then there’s this, too, from May 5th USA-Today:
Tornado activity hits 60-year low http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/05/09/quiet-tornado-season/2148075/
Global warming wasn’t proposed by scientists. It came from politicians. A small number of scientists signed on when they found they could collect grant money.
Who lives long enough, let alone has a long enough memory, to notice a 33 year cycle? That alleged 11-13 year cycle on the sun is hard enough to notice. OTOH, the yearly cycle is easy to see: when enough snowbirds head south for the winter, along about December 21, the equator gets heavier, and starts tipping over, letting the sun begin getting higher & higher in the sky every day. That’s why melting Arctic ice is so dangerous: no more winter cold would stop the seasonal snowbird migration, putting an end to seasons! /sarc
My grandmother has been through three such cycles and is starting her fourth.
Pay attention, listen to your elders. Farmers, ranchers, and watermen paid attention to the weather because their lives and livelihoods depended on it.
Some years they really did walk through knee-deep snow (uphill, both ways to and from school...).
Yep; I’ve been through 2 such cycles and have started on #3, though I don’t remember too much about the beginnings of the first one.
And you forgot: it was also always into the wind. Just before school let out, the wind always shifted 180, so that second uphill walk still was facing a headwind.
The majority of idjits out there believe History began the day they were born, and that if it isn’t digital, it doesn’t count as an accurate instrument: “Accurate to 3 decimal places” using a probe rated +/- 0.5C, and circuitry +/- 0.5%!
...And if you can't link to it on the web, it doesn't exist...
Measure it with a micrometer, cut it with an axe...
The Germans had the crankshafts in the Me 109s machined to the ten thousandth. We're sloppy by comparison, now.
It's funny in a sad sort of way how few people remember silver coins in everyday circulation, (I recall getting the odd Indian head cent and buffalo nickel in change). It took resolve to put those away when I was a kid, because a nickel bought a chocolate bar or a soda, and penny (even 2 or 3 to the penny) candy was in every little store...
A friends stepson summarized the Civil War: "Wasn't that the one where the good guys wore blue?".
Yep we're in sad shape. Too much hyphenated his/herstory, and not enough Western Civ and US History.
Well, it looks like the first one will develop in the next few days, predicted right now to be a minimal cat 1 with a lifetime of a couple of days at that level, and will never come near shore.
The NOAA prediction for his year was:
13 to 19 named storms (top winds of 39 mph or higher), including
6 to 9 hurricanes (top winds of 74 mph or higher), of which
3 to 5 could be major hurricanes (Category 3, 4 or 5; winds of at least 111 mph)
To be accurate, they give names to tropical storms (39 mph winds).
Gabrielle was a tropical storm, but its lifetime at that level was about 12 hours.
Many of the storms that used to go unrecognized and uncounted are now being spotted and tracked because of our better technology, mostly satellites. That’s what’s largely responsible for the apparent increase in the number of storms in recent years, but the warmists prefer to blame that increase on Global Warming.
That's Atlantic only. Looking globally, hurricane numbers are decreasing in spite of better tracking: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/01/dr-ryan-maue-releases-new-hurricane-frequency-data-showing-a-negative-trend-in-the-last-30-years/
Meanwhile back at the Atlantic, normalized damages from hurricanes are flat: http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2012/12/updated-normalized-hurricane-losses.html When someone says Sandy was the most expensive storm ever, you can point to Wikipedia and the 1926 Miami hurricane (about $150B versus $70B for sandy).