Skip to comments.Norwegian elections - Will the Norwegian Reaganites enter government? (Live thread)
Posted on 09/09/2013 11:58:13 AM PDT by Eurotwit
Tonight we have the first parliamentary elections since the Breivik murder rampage two years ago.
The last polls have indicated that the socialistic government will fall, and that a coalition of conservative parties will take over.
This coalition - if it happens - will include the Progress Party which is almost something unique in a Scandinavian setting.
Here are some quotes from the National Review:
"By the way, there are two items of particular interest in Jensens office: a little Israeli flag and a bust of Reagan. It would be hard to convey how extraordinary these symbols are in the traditional Norwegian political culture. An American politician might be less scandalous for having kiddie porn in his office."
"The Progress party was founded in 1973, to advance the principles of classical liberalism. The party declares that its philosophy starts with the democratic assumption that the people are best placed to decide what is best for them. This is radical, almost revolutionary stuff here in Scandinavia. Progresss symbol is an apple: healthful, good for you. Norheim likes to crack, An apple a day keeps the government away. The symbol of the partys youth branch is a thumbprint: a symbol of individualism. Everyone has a thumbprint, and everyones is different, unique."
"Hanging out with them for a few days, I find them, not only brainy, principled, and nervy, but fun you might expect that. They tend to have a gonzo spirit, and an American spirit. They are unabashed in their America-love. The special adviser on financial policy for the party is the frontman of a group called Teddy Trigger and the Gatling Guns. They do rockabilly. Progs have been known to refer to Coke as capitalist water. They revel in what others so many others around them condemn."
"I ask Siv Jensen point-blank whether she regards Islamism radical Islam as a threat on a par with Nazism and Communism. She says, unblinkingly, yes. And, once more, it is a threat, not only to Western civilization (bad enough), but also to those Muslims who wish to live within that civilization: and who may have fled their homelands in order to escape the radicalism they now find choking them in places like Norway."
"Chief among her political models are Reagan he is sitting right behind her and Thatcher. (In 2008, Standpoint magazine in London ran a feature about her titled A Norwegian Thatcher?) And her writer of choice is Ayn Rand: I have read her books over and over again. I just love them. They inspire me, they provoke me, they make me feel alive they force you to reflect on a lot of issues in your society. Has any writer ever received a finer tribute? So, Jensen is a Randian, then? No, not all the way through. Her ideas are a bit too radical for me. But, when I was younger, I got inspired by reading her, and I think everyone could benefit, because she forces you to think and its healthy to think, no matter what your ideology.
Follow me into Kristian Norheims office, please it must be the most politically incorrect room in Scandinavia. There are three posters of Churchill. Theres Reagan, of course: Viva the Reagan Revolution! Theres Barry Goldwater: In your heart you know hes right. Theres a George Washington doll, and a George W. Bush doll. Theres a picture of the Stealth bomber (!). Theres a hat from the New York Fire Department. Theres an Israeli flag, a GOP flag (with elephant), a Gadsden flag (Dont Tread on Me). And thats only a fraction of the inventory."
Will it be a backlash against Multi-cultiralism induced suicide?
Links to some articles about the Progress Party:
A Norwegian Thatcher? (Who admires Sarah Palin)
Among the Progs: A peek at the conservatives and libertarians of Norway
Wish us luck :)
Good luck in election.
I’m originally from Minnesota and I know what you are fighting.
Very good people, just badly informed.
Partly, but perhaps not enough.
The Leftist agenda advances by ratchet action, the policies put in place cannot be reversed. How do you take away goodies without “violating rights?”
Are the English translations yours? I don’t see an ‘English’ language option at the link.
Well the first exit polls are out. And the good new first:
The socialist have lost massively according to them.
However, the Progress Party has not done as well as I would have hoped and that we need a full coalition to rule.
Some of these parties are imho even worse than the labour party.
Let the horse trading begin :/
And, let us await the real vote count.
The socialist left party (hardcore communists) are hoovering just above the 4 percent mark. If they end up dropping below that it might open up a lot more interesting possibilites.
The conservative fold includes:
Progress Party - The reagintes from the opening post. Also the party that Anders Breivik had been a member of, which no doubt has hurt us
Conservatives - Our old school conservatives. Whilst way better than the labour party, they are by no means American conservatives. Think Cameron and Sarkozy.
The Liberal party - One of the oldest parties in Norway and used to be classical liberal. Now, the are lost in libertarian lalaland, and wants practically free immigration to Norway
The Christian Conservatives - Against abortion etc, but also
“VERY VERY” “compassionate”, when it comes to illegal immigration etc. I do not trust them.
The wildcard is the agrarian party who has ruled with the socialist in this government. They are like the farm lobby, so as long as farmers get their subsidies, I think they could change sides and rule with the conservatives. I would prefer them to both the Liberal party and the Christian conservatives.
The NRK link is to our national state tv, and their live coverage. So it is in Norwegian.
They’re no longer Reaganites if they ever were.
They almost killed their one true conservative, Jan Simonsen. The party is supposed to be pro-Israel, but is full of the most vile antisemites - my sister, who has been active in trying to kill Mesta is one of them. Basically, they’re no different from Labour, infiltrated from the kook-front.
I do agree that frp is not what they used to be.
In fact for the first time in my life, except when I lived abroad, I have not voted.
Siv Jensen has to go.
Though the Progress party is miles better than the Labour party still imho. Though Venstre actually is worse than labour.
As I wrote earlier in the thread, I think getting the agrarian party onboard constitutes the best scenario. Borten Moe is intersting, as is their leader of their youth branch. Give the farmers their subsidies, and get in a healthy common sense party in.
What do you think?
btw. Do you have any example of vile anti semites in the Progress party? That has eluded me.
So in immortal words of Edgar Hansen
They may go Right way, wrong way or Noregiwan way RIGHT
Hope this makes Norway cheaper to visit....and gets rid of the Muslim garbage that stains a very nice nation
Antisemitism and corruption has become as endemic in the FRP as in every other “non-socialist” party in Norway. Whatever they choose to call their boat, they fill it up with leftists, multiculturalists, antisemites and homos.
After Breivik, it is evidently not possible to have a party in Norway without a sharia/leftist kommisar.
The agrarians have been, traditionally, our best hope against the EU. But it is very difficult to have principled politicians in a society that is rotting.
Viz every “christian” outlet in Norway goind islamist. There is this mainstream Christian newspaper, for example, that holds that “the wrong party won at the Gates of Vienna”, and that Europe really should have fallen to the muslims.
Just recently the Swedes decided to destroy their country by giving asylum to any Syrian who asked. Has there been any reaction in Norway to this?
Current count - Conservatives 99, Left 69 Ind 1, Tot 169, Majority 85... Conservatives +14 Maj
So that good right???
Does not really matter.
Whatever party. it has a leftwing/multiculturalist/islamic kadre taking care of business. Their programs are basically the same.
You would need a revolution to actually make a difference. As it is, it’s like GOPe abd Democrats.
It is good.
Haardrada is not reliable imho. Feel free to correct me Harald.
He is of course right in one thing. The parties are NOT perfect...
But, what and who is?
btw, the progress party has been supporting Sarah Palin and have had close ties to the tea parties.¨
Haardrade seems to want a violent revolution.
How this will all work out in the end will depend on the horse trading. I really hope the Progress Party stands firm on immigration, and leave the government if they cannot get their will there.
Otherwise I think they will sign their own death warrant as a major political party.
Sorry. I can provide you with extensive dossiers on rather a lot of the “conservative” actors in Norwegian politics who are NOT conservatives. And the fact is that most people dubbed conservative in Norway are not.
Take FRP, for instance. The last time they had an overriding conservative ideology was under Anders Lange, his successor was a good start but at the end it was all about him. And Simonsen paid the price. Or Høyre/Solberg - not conservatives, just a little less communist. And their “house newspaper”, Aftenposten, employs some of the most wellknown homosexual activists and communist writers in Norway.
Where the f did you get the idea that I wanted a violent revolution? That is classical laborite mumbo-jumbo. But we do need a complete break with the corrupt past.
Sorry if I have misinterpreted your calls for a revolution.
I have to admit that I am an admirerer of Edmund Burke.
I distrust revolutions driven by ideology.
Change should be handled with respect for the past and for what has made our societies what it is.
But, I am no friend of the current Norwegian political reality.
My little sister, who is a fellow freeper, is one of the many who have been brutally raped in the last few years. It was a Somalian, and he had just previously raped a 12 year old girl. He was sentenced to 12 years in jail, but never showed up to serve his sentance. You know the INSANE Norwegian criminal policy.
Jan Simonsen was a bit of a clown, so I am not sure in his conservative credentials. What was his deal with all the gay clubs and all that? The progress party need more competent people like Solvig Olsen, not more people like Jan Simonsen.
Anyhow, going to watch the debate now.
Btw. I do think we share the same side, so take care mate.
And btw.. Just came over this article:
“Bland annat berättar Aagård hur han och hans kamrater i den kommunistiska gymnasieföreningen i Gävle slutet av 80-talet kissade i håret på yngre elever och antastade dem sexuellt.
De 16-åriga offren fick laga mat, städa, sy, ge oss pengar, fixa sprit och kalla oss Herr. De fick piss i punschen, piss i håret och en och annan röv upptryckt i ansiktet, skriver Aagård och berättar att föreningen förberedde ett kommunistiskt maktövertagande och lyssnade på Public “
More of that and I might rethink my position on revolution, violent or otherwise.
Well, violence will come. Not from our side, but the leftists and the muslims have been marching toward that formany years. There was a sort of lull after WWII, when the statists were afraid of the people, but that ended.
The article is pretty in tune with what I remember of certain SUF people in the sixties. Alchohol-soaked like Theresa’s raisins, and into gangrape and sadism as sport. Not immigrants. Establishment kids.
Sorry for being late.
Yeah, violence is already here.
I told you about the rape of my sister.
Myself, I have attended “Journalisthøyskolen”, and after working on a story late on thursday night I wanted to walk down to the central station.
Unfortunately I walked down Pilestredet and past the Blitz house. I was immediately surrounded, and asked for money and cigarettes. I gave them 3-4, then they snatched the pack from my hands. When I asked them what they were doing?
They attacked. I was surrounded by like 15-20 blitzers who took turns hitting and kicking me.
This criminal activity is practically supported by the Norwegian government.
So what can you do?
Back in the 80’s I had to move around a lot in those areas. I was *never* unarmed, and I gave away untold cans of CS and Capsi to others who had business there. For a while the police was actually warning about a homo group in Grønland raping men, and to keep away in the evening time.
Of course, that was before the police became a terrorist accomplice.