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Atheists want cross removed from 131-year-old city seal in Florida
One News Now ^ | September 10, 2013 | Charlie Butts

Posted on 09/10/2013 8:34:28 AM PDT by xzins

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Atheists want cross removed from 131-year-old city seal in Florida


21 posted on 09/10/2013 8:51:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: upchuck; P-Marlowe

Seems to me that the city is about Boats, The Christian Faith, and Caring.

And for some reason boats don’t need to be purged.

The idea of caring doesn’t need to be purged.

But we need to purge anything about their Christian Faith.

Sounds like existence discrimination, not viewpoint discrimination, that we are dealing with here.


22 posted on 09/10/2013 8:54:44 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: upchuck

HA! I just thought of a defense:

"Whaddya talkin' about, 'Cross'? Its a plus-sign on the top right, and a minus-sign on the bottom left. What, are you anti-math too???!?"

23 posted on 09/10/2013 8:55:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Graewoulf
Religious Persecution?

Absolutely. It is a purge of Christianity from the USA.

24 posted on 09/10/2013 8:56:49 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

This and the death of America are done deals.


25 posted on 09/10/2013 9:00:34 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: expat_panama
Good observation, I have often thought of that myself. In fact, what are they going to do about the telephone poles, sidewalk cracks, window panes, on and on and on.

Almost everything you observe will have the cross in it somewhere.

Streets intersections, etc.etc.etc.

26 posted on 09/10/2013 9:00:54 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: xzins; upchuck; carlo3b; PoloSec; Graewoulf; Scrambler Bob; expat_panama; albie
See my above post, because LOL! LOL!!

I just called the City Manager and told them my idea. The young lady who took the call, was chuckling and said she'd pass the idea to the City's counsel. Imagine if this was a winning legal counter. LOL

27 posted on 09/10/2013 9:01:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: xzins

I was just wondering, of course, if the town is an abortion provider, has a high divorce rate, or other things that the Lord who died on the cross hates. If so, remove the cross.


28 posted on 09/10/2013 9:05:29 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Cowboy Bob

Send them to Yemen.

Let them work their magic there!!


29 posted on 09/10/2013 9:05:39 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: xzins

What next? St. Augustine will be forced to change its name to Port Alinsky.


30 posted on 09/10/2013 9:08:29 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Impeach We Much!)
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To: Lazamataz

Or a sword through the back of the heart.

:>)


31 posted on 09/10/2013 9:11:05 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: huldah1776
I was just wondering, of course, if the town is an abortion provider, has a high divorce rate, or other things that the Lord who died on the cross hates. If so, remove the cross.

If sin is the basis for removing any trace of Christianity, then there will be no trace of Christianity.

"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..."

32 posted on 09/10/2013 9:12:45 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I have a call into Mat Staver, the main switchboard operator at Liberty Counsel thought it was a terrific idea, and she put out an email to the Intake person who schedules phone meetings with Mat. This idea will be in his lap in the next 72 hours. Hooah, soldier!!!


33 posted on 09/10/2013 9:16:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: xzins
Having an atheist lecture you on religious tolerance is like a woman asking her homosexual guy friend for dating advice.
34 posted on 09/10/2013 9:18:48 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check highlights every single word.)
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To: xzins
Did you ever notice that atheists never attack Islam or muslims?


35 posted on 09/10/2013 9:19:04 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: Cowboy Bob

yes I agree with you, and removed from the country....send them to Syria to fight bama boy’s war....


36 posted on 09/10/2013 9:20:42 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (Get the USA out of the UN then get the UN out of the USA; send bamaboy back to Kenya ASAP!!!!)
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To: xzins

Christianity is in the hearts and minds of the people. No symbol required, just actions.


37 posted on 09/10/2013 9:30:04 AM PDT by huldah1776
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Noting that this material has been posted in related threads, Christians need to wise up and get a grip on the idea that they are partly to blame for successful atheist attacks on our religious freedoms.

More specifically, as a consequence of generations of parents not making sure that their children are being taught the Constitution and its history, particularly the Founding States' division of federal and state government powers, FDR's anti-religious expression activist justices got away with bluffing that it is unconstitutional for the states to address religious issues.

But the truth of the matter is that activist justices probably couldn't have picked a worse Founder to quote to justify their PC interpretation of the establishment clause than Thomas Jefferson and his "wall of separation." This is because Jefferson had actually acknowledged that the Founding States had made the 10th Amendment in part to reserve government power to address religious issues uniquely to the states, regardless that the States had also made the 1st Amendment in part to clarify that Congress was prohibited from making laws to regulate religion altogether.

"3. Resolved that it is true as a general principle and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the constitution that ‘the powers not delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively or to the people’: and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, & were reserved, to the states or the people: that thus was manifested their determination to retain to themselves the right of judging how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged without lessening their useful freedom, and how far those abuses which cannot be separated from their use should be tolerated rather than the use be destroyed; …" --Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions, 1798.

The way that activist justices easily pulled the carpet from under the Constitution-ignorant states to politically rob them of their power to address religious issues, the same power which allows states to authorize creationism being taught in public schools for example, is the following. Justices argued that the 14th Amendment (14A) applied everything in the Bill of Rights, including the 1st Amendment's prohibition on Congress to make laws which regulate religon, to the states. This is evidenced by the following excerpt from Cantwell v. Connecticut.

"The First Amendment declares that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The Fourteenth Amendment has rendered the legislatures of the states as incompetent as Congress to enact such laws. The constitutional inhibition of legislation on the subject of religion has a double aspect." --Mr. Justice Roberts, Cantwell v. State of Connecticut, 1940.

The problem is that outcome-driven justices blatantly ignored that John Bingham, the main author of Section 1 of 14A, had officially clarified that the 14A took away no state rights.

"The adoption of the proposed amendment will take from the States no rights (emphasis added) that belong to the States." --John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe. (See bottom half of first column)

"No right (emphasis added) reserved by the Constitution to the States should be impaired…" --John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe. (See top half of 1st column)

"Do gentlemen say that by so legislating we would strike down the rights of the State? God forbid. I believe our dual system of government essential to our national existance." --John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe (See bottom half of third column)

So based on Jefferson's clarification of 10th Amendment-protected state power to address religious issues, and also Bingam's clarifications in general that the 14A did not take away such powers, the states still have the power to address religion imo, including putting crosses on city seals, regardless of Christian parents who aren't making sure that their children are being taught constitutonal law and likewise misguided atheists.

What a mess! :^(

38 posted on 09/10/2013 10:28:11 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: annieokie

The Florida State flag has St. Andrews cross on it.


39 posted on 09/10/2013 10:31:14 AM PDT by DeWalt
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All Atheists should immediately stop utilizing their money as all US money have the motto “In God we trust”. They pay their attorneys with “offensive” currency, they buy goods, they clothe and feed with it. Hypocrites!
40 posted on 09/10/2013 10:52:19 AM PDT by lula (Shine the light of truth Lord, confound the deceiver I pray...AMEN!)
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