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Guess Who Was Right About Obamacare Death Panels?
Townhall.com ^ | September 10, 2013 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 09/10/2013 9:12:24 AM PDT by Kaslin

Yep

Just Sayin'


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
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1 posted on 09/10/2013 9:12:24 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Sarah!


2 posted on 09/10/2013 9:14:44 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Kaslin

I haven’t been able to find anything here about the Exempt America rally in D.C. that should be going on right now.

Speaking of obamacare...


3 posted on 09/10/2013 9:16:01 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Kaslin; onyx; RedMDer; Libloather; SgtBob

Never mind I finally found the Exempt America rally thread.


4 posted on 09/10/2013 9:17:27 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Kaslin

We enjoy it when Pavlich teams up with “The Five” on FOX....she generally shreds Beckel.


5 posted on 09/10/2013 9:18:25 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: Kaslin

The further Palin gets from McCain’s influence, the more I like her. Her outspoken-ness and ability to express herself could be a real plus for the group Cruz seems to be putting together, if she were to run for Senate. JMHO


6 posted on 09/10/2013 9:18:30 AM PDT by grania
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To: ErnBatavia

ANYONE can shred Beckel.

He’s a loudmouth blowhard POS and needs to be challenged at every turn.

Same with Red Ed Schultz. The man is living proof that sometimes, abortions DON’T work...


7 posted on 09/10/2013 9:23:54 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Kaslin

Yes.......she is quite the American woman & patriot when compared to serial fibber champions, Hillary Clinton & Susan Rice....along with Obama....all garbage can material!!! Go Sarah!!! Impeach Obama!!!

www.dontfundobamacare.com

www.dontfundit.com


8 posted on 09/10/2013 9:26:45 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
The LIVE streaming of the Defund 0bamaCare/Exempt America DC Rally is on now...

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/09/10/Rally-Live-Stream?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=breitbarttv

9 posted on 09/10/2013 9:29:46 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Kaslin

Sarah and Howard Dean are in agreement on this.

And another sign of the Second Coming falls neatly into place.


10 posted on 09/10/2013 9:30:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin; txrangerette; ErnBatavia; grania

Years ago I posted this to a Register Guard (Red Guard) editorial and received only half sentence responses that I was a moronic baby killer. Outside of typical Eugeneans, other folks thought it made sense, but then those people were generally understanding of my inability to speak in sound bites.

I remember the U.K. Telegraph and others awarded Sarah Palin a prize for telling the greatest political lie of 2009. In fact her actual statement disclosed one of many deceits within health care legislation. Next follows an explanation of how this outcome will be realized.

She said, “The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”

Of course no one will go to the 14th floor of the federal building in Boston and look for room 1486 labeled DEATH PANEL. Instead her anxiety arises from seeing hordes of new bureaucracies providing the framework for boundless regulatory masterpieces metastasizing throughout the U. S. Code to erode human freedoms.

The stimulus bill created the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology and the Health Information Technology Research Centers. These bureaucracies duplicated private sector information bases, utilizing computer technology for coordination and flow of recommendations and policies for medical knowledge. With this law the federal standard for Medicare became appropriate and cost effective, and no longer safe and medically effective. Doctors now have decisions guided by, and face penalties for not being defined as “meaningful users” of federal electronically delivered protocols. Medicare bureaucrats are left to define “meaningful user” and define which items from the universe of medical knowledge pass through their screens to doctors consulting with patients.

Now passage of HR 3962 and Senate legislation adds over 100 new boards, commissions and programs. For example a new Medicare Commission, exempt from judicial review, will unilaterally write rules about utilization and pricing of medical devices and drugs often needed by surgeons. Many regulatory bodies will be overarching in their abilities to select and direct medical subjects concerning Tri-Care, employer group policies, Veteran’s Administration, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

The HHS Secretary will use these bureaucracies to reflect Congressional intent; not the will of the people. Implementing regulations extending to fifty or more times the bill’s 2,700 pages will utilize disquieting legislative provisions, selected legislator speeches, and selected expert testimony. Regulations will incorporate ideas politicians consider too sensitive for public debate shape a new healthcare system. Medical professionals will join other private sector professionals I know such as education financial aid directors and CPA’s, who often serve as federal agents instead of client advocates.

When the focus is on rationing, Ezekiel J. Emanuel (Rahm Emanuel’s brother), Barack Obama, Tom Daschle, and others have presented the case in part. However, Princeton bioethics professor Peter Singer presented in the New York Times Congressional intent without equivocation. “Rationing health care means getting value for the billions spent by setting limits on which treatments should be paid for from the public purse….There’s no doubt that it’s tough – politically, emotionally, and ethically - to make a decision that means that someone will die sooner than they would have if the decision had gone the other way….The task of health care bureaucrats is then to get the best value for resources they have been allocated….If a teenager can be expected to live another 70 years, saving that life gains 70 years, whereas a person of 85 can be expected to live another 5 years, then saving the 85-year-old will gain of only 5 life-years. That suggests saving one teenager is equivalent to saving 14 85-year-olds”.

Peter Singer’s scientific approach reminds me of the Geneva Conventions, which attempt rational, moral threads to grasp during wars’ barbarity. For my Navy experience pulverizing a major enemy base in Vietnam, I especially like the clear and obvious reading of Articles 28 and 29 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The VC were responsible for any civilian deaths during that action. Those civilians qualified as Protected Persons within the enemy’s physical control, and could not be used to render certain points and areas immune from military operations.

The passages furnished the basis for our regulations called rules of engagement that we followed when attacking a legitimate military target. Distance provided me the blessing of avoiding the clean up after-wards for the mess I helped create. However, I am certain our task force was an effective “death panel”. We permanently shattered that VC main force unit, forcing it to surrender the region to South Vietnamese control.

Government bureaucrats will apply similar detached patterns of analysis to healthcare issues, which enabled our ship to apply over 400 rounds of naval artillery to a VC base camp. Politicians will use the implementation process of others to disconnect from the consequences of their actions. The resulting health care regulations will place all patients on pathways to federally defined, cost effective, approved treatments. Those serving in the 100 plus boards, commissions, and programs will be only vaguely aware of any problems, because only a significant number of entities acting together can create the desired result. Seniors and the disabled will hold second class citizenship, because popular philosophies, as discussed above, find these people deficient in societal contributions compared to active workers and youth.

When Sarah Palin speaks of an “America I know and love” she understands that federal administrative laws and regulations are the soft underbelly of our Constitution. Under English common law, which serves as the basis for our Constitution, a person is innocent and not subject to the penalties of the law until proved guilty. Under administrative law like Roman civil law a person is subject to its penalties and restrictions until they discover a way to legally extricate themselves. Federal agencies are especially pernicious, because generally they must first give permission to be sued, and Congress has specifically forbidden legal recourse against rulings of many of the new health care agencies.

Pursuit of happiness means seeking spiritual prosperity within the hazards and uncertainties of personal freedoms. Once again politicians have offered enchanting material security, while obscuring subservience to rules vastly increasing their power. This legislation attacks our Bill of Rights by confiscating speech and religious freedoms, personal life without access to courts and trial, and Ninth Amendment personal freedoms guaranteed, but not enumerated by our Constitution.

Why We Must Ration Health Care
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/magazine/19healthcare-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

RAW DATA: GOP List of New ‘Bureaucracies’ in House Health Care Bill
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/02/raw-data-gop-list-new-bureaucracies-house-health-care/

Text HR 3200 for GOP List of ‘Bureaucracies’
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3200rh/pdf/BILLS-111hr3200rh.pdf

Healthcare Bill Explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HcBaSP31Be8&vg=medium

Now sick babies go on death pathway: Doctor’s haunting testimony reveals how children are put on end-of-life plan
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2240075/Now-sick-babies-death-pathway-Doctors-haunting-testimony-reveals-children-end-life-plan.html#ixzz2Dw4II8OP


11 posted on 09/10/2013 9:31:14 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: txrangerette
*Live Stream* Exempt America Rally Live At 10 a.m. ET
12 posted on 09/10/2013 9:31:40 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: ErnBatavia

She sure does, and on the first day she was on she showed her disgust of him


13 posted on 09/10/2013 9:35:16 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

She who must not be named in a positive light


14 posted on 09/10/2013 9:36:45 AM PDT by stanne
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To: NFHale

ANYONE can shred Beckel.

He’s a loudmouth blowhard POS and needs to be challenged at every turn.

...Beckel is an absolute lout...he has points to make, and should make them on a show like The Five, but he cannot do so without devolving into an oafish caricature of himself, tossing vile ad hominems about and cheapening the show...no other host on the show does this (one could argue Gutfeld does, but I say no)and too bad Fox feels the need to keep his blathering on the air for ratings...


15 posted on 09/10/2013 9:41:53 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Retain Mike
I remember the discussions in Philosophy class in the 1960s about what would happen when the methods of care become too expensive to be paid. The other one was who pays the cost when people are kept alive artificially and the costs are insurmountable?

Our sunny-side up solution back then was that surely parallel developments would happen that are affordable in order to meet the need. Well, that didn't happen because insurance has taken reality out of the decisions to use expensive therapies for everyone and everything. How do you balance?

This isn't as cruel as it seems....why not cut everyone off from expensive therapies after age 80 or so? Let people have a plan, whether it's money saved, alternatives, or just dealing with whatever it is at that age? At some point, people have to be accountable for something.

16 posted on 09/10/2013 9:45:02 AM PDT by grania
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To: Kaslin

She sure does, and on the first day she was on she showed her disgust of him...

...indeed...get her on the show full time and relegate Dana, who appears air headed to me, to fill in...


17 posted on 09/10/2013 9:46:37 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade

Nah I like Dana as much as I like Pavlich


18 posted on 09/10/2013 9:49:20 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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mflr


19 posted on 09/10/2013 9:51:25 AM PDT by ELS
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To: IrishBrigade

I can tolerate Beckel on The Five. It a different story when he is on a different program on FNC, then I just mute him. One I can not stand is Alan Colmes, I always mute him as soon as he opens his mouth. Thank God he was only once sitting in for Beckel


20 posted on 09/10/2013 9:54:31 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: IrishBrigade

“...Beckel is an absolute lout...”

Hahaha!!! “Lout”! Great description of him. Excellent!

The words reminds me of some fat, besotted wino lying in the doorway of an abandoned shoe store, with an oily brown paper bag wrapped around a bottle of Ripple... left big toe sticking through shredded Chuck Taylor All Stars sneakers, and grease stains from last week’s KFC dinner all over his shirt...


21 posted on 09/10/2013 9:54:35 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
He’s a loudmouth blowhard POS and needs to be challenged at every turn

I have never watched, even a second, of The Five and Bob Beckel is the reason why. I refuse to look at that man, or listen to him. His condescending sneer, I just can't take it.

22 posted on 09/10/2013 10:08:25 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

I’ve caught the show a few times.

It’s “The View” in reverse!! Haha!


23 posted on 09/10/2013 10:15:19 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Kaslin
That video is outstanding. Vindication!!!


"Yes, it's nice but forget vindication. It’s time to bomb Obamacare now!"

24 posted on 09/10/2013 10:27:29 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: grania
...if she were to run for Senate.

With the Superbowl of American history on the line, you think our most able quarterback ought to be positioned at right guard?

Nuts!

25 posted on 09/10/2013 11:11:42 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: grania

In general I have trouble thinking through alternatives because the government has been so deeply involved with making things worse ever since employers began offering paid healthcare in WW II to evade government wage controls. Now legislators for state and federal bludgeon state insurance commissioners into endless counterproductive decrees. If ordinary people could apply common principles of justice and mercy to your idea they could probably find a workable solution. My central concept remains as found at the end of my tome.

“federal administrative laws and regulations are the soft underbelly of our Constitution. Under English common law, which serves as the basis for our Constitution, a person is innocent and not subject to the penalties of the law until proved guilty. Under administrative law like Roman civil law a person is subject to its penalties and restrictions until they discover a way to legally extricate themselves. Federal agencies are especially pernicious, because generally they must first give permission to be sued, and Congress has specifically forbidden legal recourse against rulings of many of the new health care agencies.

Pursuit of happiness means seeking spiritual prosperity within the hazards and uncertainties of personal freedoms.”


26 posted on 09/10/2013 12:26:28 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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