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To: Redmen4ever

“Yes, we are grafted into the true faith and, so, our brothers in the Jewish faith do not have to convert, they are already in the true faith.”

That is not true...the whole point of Romans 9, 10, and 11 is that God, through Paul, is saying that some of the branches were broken off BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF(11:19) so that the Gentiles might be grafted in.

A partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come it; and so all Israel [all who believe in Yeshua, their Redeemer] will be saved; just as it is written, “THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.” (11:25-26)

If they (Israel) do not continue in their unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
(11:23)

This is what God says, not the pope.


8 posted on 09/12/2013 10:51:25 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: TurkeyLurkey

Jesus, to Nicodemus: “You must be born again!” I think Nicodemus was a Jew. Paul was faultless concerning the law but needed to be born again.


9 posted on 09/12/2013 11:00:59 AM PDT by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: TurkeyLurkey
The Pope is unwilling to say that unbelief leads to damnation and hell. Jesus said to a Jew, "You MUST be born again." And later, Jesus said, “He who believes in Him (God's only son) is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

All of us start out in unbelief, but the Gospel offers us salvation by faith in Christ. Jesus didn't leave room or offer salvation for those who conveniently follow their conscience, yet remain in unbelief.

13 posted on 09/12/2013 11:50:18 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: TurkeyLurkey

This is what God says ...

Excuuuuuse me MR. VOICE OF GOD.

I can see why you object to the Pope claiming to interpret the Bible, since that encroaches on your territory. But, there’s a funny thing about the Reformation, that every believer is free to interpret the Bible. It de-thrones all would be Popes and simultaneously elevates all those whose study of the Bible and reasonableness makes him a good authority, even if not an infallible authority.

Now, as to the specifics of what you are saying. This is “replacement philosophy,” that Christians are the new and better children of God, and the Jews no longer play a special role in salvation history. Then why is the devil so hell bent on killing the Jews? Did he not get the word?

Just as I objected to the Pope’s apparent acceptance that Judaism and Christianity are two distinct but still legitimate religions, I object to replacement philosophy. The Jerusalem Council made it clear that we do not have to become Jews to become Christians, and Paul adds that we are called in our place and, so, should not be anxious about the matter. And maybe he said something about this in his letter to the Galatians. So, I myself don’t make a big deal of it. Besides, it is said that when Jesus returns, God’s name will be one, implying that before Jesus returns there will be disagreement about his character. So, in my book, this all adds up to “chill out.”


19 posted on 09/12/2013 1:11:01 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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