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New research shows link between rates of gun ownership and homicides [explosive barf alert]
Boston University ^ | 9-12-13 | Dr Michael Siegel

Posted on 09/12/2013 7:46:51 PM PDT by Pharmboy

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Gun ownership has exploded and homicides have decreased; yet these phonies have somehow found this bogus correlation. John Lott, call yer office.
1 posted on 09/12/2013 7:46:51 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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More people feel the need to be armed in places where there is more crime, and more criminals, like the South.


2 posted on 09/12/2013 7:49:14 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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So Maryland should have a lower gun homicide rate than Wyoming.

(Wyoming has fewer homicides than Baltimore, populations being close to equal).


3 posted on 09/12/2013 7:51:06 PM PDT by DBrow
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As an aside, I've noticed leftists like to denigrate the South, as "Red" states, for having higher rates of violent crime, more poverty, more obesity, less education...

But I don't think they are aware of what they really saying.

4 posted on 09/12/2013 7:51:49 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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“while controlling for a range of potential state-level confounding variables, including: age, gender, race/ethnicity, urbanization, poverty, unemployment, income, education, divorce rate, alcohol use, violent crime rate, nonviolent crime rate, number of hunting licenses, age-adjusted non-firearm homicide rate, incarceration rate, and suicide rate.”

No fudge factors here.


5 posted on 09/12/2013 7:52:04 PM PDT by DBrow
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“of what they are really saying.”


6 posted on 09/12/2013 7:52:34 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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Apparently, this study does not take into account how many homicides were committed with unlicensed gun owners vs licensed gun owners. Also, this study apparently doesn’t include how many lives were saved when a “legal” gun owner was able to prevent a homicide.

Anyone can make a “statistical” study proving any point. It all depends on how the study was conducted.


7 posted on 09/12/2013 7:53:49 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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There are many “0bama” counties in the South, mostly along the fall line.


8 posted on 09/12/2013 7:54:54 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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The ‘rats (Teton County went for Bammy) in WY are farther apart.


9 posted on 09/12/2013 7:56:24 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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expect more of this hocus pocus from CDC studies the ‘bots will be bringing out soon.


10 posted on 09/12/2013 7:57:15 PM PDT by telstar12.5 (...always bring gunships to a gun fight...)
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Yes...I believe that is what they did: they lumped illegal weapons in with legal. Phony b*stards.


11 posted on 09/12/2013 7:57:54 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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Hmmm lets see...

Chicago and Houston. Similar sized cities...

Chicago 512 murders in 2012...

Houston 216 murders in 2012...

hmmm gee just can’t wrap my head around this... these numbers should mean something... awww but I guess I haven’t “controlled” for age, race, income, education blah blah blah in other words no fudge factors!

Statistics don’t lie... Statisticians lie!!!


12 posted on 09/12/2013 7:59:58 PM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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They’re probably including suicides within the homicide rates. Owning a gun might make it a little easier to commit suicide, but there are other ways to kill yourself. There have also been a couple of instances in the last few years where people went to a gun range, rented a gun and purposely shot themselves with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#Firearms


13 posted on 09/12/2013 8:03:30 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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New research shows link between Affirmative Action and Stupidity. Case in point, Barack Hussein Obamaumau.


14 posted on 09/12/2013 8:04:00 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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All this study says is that all things being equal, the more guns there are, the higher the number of people who get killed by a gun.

No shit Sherlock! If nobody owned a gun, of course the number of homicides by a gun would be 0 (I doubt there were too many gun homicides during the Stone Age!).

Of course, this study does absolutely nothing to get to the effectiveness of gun control as countries who have banned guns saw crime rates sky rocket as a) only criminals owned guns, and b) even with no guns criminals could still commit crime, knowing that the intended victim doesn’t have a gun.


15 posted on 09/12/2013 8:06:41 PM PDT by winner3000
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Homicide is not necessarily murder.


16 posted on 09/12/2013 8:07:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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State levels of gun ownership were estimated using a well-established proxy variable: the percentage of a state's suicides that are committed with a firearm (FS/S). Because there is no state-level survey that measures household gun ownership, researchers have widely relied upon the FS/S proxy in injury prevention research, and this proxy has been extensively validated in past studies. The proxy correlates highly with survey measures of household firearm ownership, the authors said.

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Well, shouldn't this be about suicide then?

No matter. The constitution protects the right of The People to keep and bear arms. There is nothing they can do about it.

Nothing.

17 posted on 09/12/2013 8:10:22 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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A new study from the American Journal of Public Heath...

The start of the opening sentence gave it away: unprincipled anti-scientific Marxist propaganda.

After we restore our lost constitutional republic, squandering our hard-earned tax dollars on such moral and intellectual abominations will be prohibited by law.

18 posted on 09/12/2013 8:14:58 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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Boston University, proxy variable, guesses, maybes, estimates.

Never let real data get in the way of quackery. In fact, there are more “quacks” in this whole affair than seen in “Duck Dynasty”.


19 posted on 09/12/2013 8:17:42 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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““while controlling for a range of potential state-level confounding variables, including: age, gender, race/ethnicity, urbanization, poverty, unemployment, income, education, divorce rate, alcohol use, violent crime rate, nonviolent crime rate, number of hunting licenses, age-adjusted non-firearm homicide rate, incarceration rate, and suicide rate.”

No fudge factors here.”

Not in the least.

But - Finagles Invariable Constant was used, and used, and used, . . . . . .


20 posted on 09/12/2013 8:18:13 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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