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Students Rip-up 9/11 Memorial at Middlebury College
Middlebury Campus Newspaper ^ | 9/13/13 | Finck

Posted on 09/13/2013 1:47:08 PM PDT by pabianice

Two of five unidentified protestors uproot flags dedicated to the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks in a midday protest. (middbeat/Rachel Kogan)

A 2,977 flag memorial was ripped out of the ground in front of Mead Memorial Chapel shortly before 3 p.m. on Wednesday, Sept. 11 by a group of five protestors claiming that the flags were on top of a sacred Abenaki burial site.

The flags — meant to commemorate each of the 2,977 lives taken in the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks — have been posted in the grass between Mead Chapel and the Davis Family Library annually in a joint effort between the College Republicans and Democrats for nearly 10 years.

Ben Kinney ’15, president of the College Republicans, spent two hours putting the flags outside of Mead Chapel on Tuesday night, and happened to be walking up the hill towards the chapel when he saw four females and one male stuffing the miniature flags into black trash bags.

“I got there just as they were taking the very last of them out of the ground and putting them in piles,” he said. “At first, I the group was comprised of College Democrats helping put the flags away before the rain rolled in, but then I realized what they were doing.”

Kinney said the protestors told him they were “confiscating” the flags in protest of “America’s imperialism.”

Julia Madden ’14, was walking back from Proctor when she saw the five people uprooting the flags.

“I was just getting out of class, but when I saw what they were doing I decided to say something,” she said. “They were quickly putting them into two big plastic trash bags. I’m mad at myself for not being more aggressive. I was just dumbfounded.”

There was no discussion. No compromise. We asked if we could put them somewhere else, but they wouldn’t listen.”

Sasha Schell ’15 also walked by the protest.

“I was thinking to myself ‘why are people cleaning them up now and why are they doing it in such a hurried and haphazard manner?’ I went up and asked them what they were doing. They said ‘this is an Indian burial ground and you can’t have anything penetrating the earth.’”

“It is really disrespectful to our community. It is disrespectful to the firefighters who went into the towers to save people. Most of all, it is disrespectful to anybody who lost somebody on that day,” he said. “It was completely out of line for anybody to come remove those flags. This is a travesty.”

Kinney, who said he received permission to erect the memorial from Associate Dean of Students for Student Activities & Orientation JJ Boggs, said he had never seen protests against the yearly memorial during his time at the College.

“You can’t say that one death is more legitimate to commemorate than another,” he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Vermont; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: vermont; waronterror
Contact Middlebury College dean! (Be respectful!)

Shirley M. Collado

Dean of the College, Associate Professor of Psychology

Email: scollado@middlebury.edu

Phone: 802.443.5382

Office Hours: By Appointment

1 posted on 09/13/2013 1:47:08 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

People do not have a right to confiscate anything.

What they did is theft.

Swear out a warrant and have them arrested.

Better yet kick their ass.


2 posted on 09/13/2013 1:50:23 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: pabianice

If I were a liberal Democrat in 2013, I’d be laughing and peeing in everyone’s faces too.


3 posted on 09/13/2013 1:50:43 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: pabianice

This was not a “protest” - it was vandalism and theft. They should have been arrested.


4 posted on 09/13/2013 1:52:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: pabianice

Ignorant bastards.


5 posted on 09/13/2013 1:54:03 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: pabianice
I’m mad at myself for not being more aggressive. I was just dumbfounded.”

The reason for leftist hegemony.

Good grief, be a man for once. They look like your average Georgetown types. Just beat the bloody sh!t out of them.

6 posted on 09/13/2013 1:55:14 PM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: pabianice
“I got there just as they were taking the very last of them out of the ground and putting them in piles,”

And...

There was no discussion. No compromise.

It'll surely come right back at them. Just as Yuri Bezmenov understood.

7 posted on 09/13/2013 1:57:50 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: pabianice

five protestors claiming that the flags were on top of a sacred Abenaki burial site

Wow the kids don’t look very Abenaki....


8 posted on 09/13/2013 2:00:56 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: pabianice
I've read the comments and some follow-up stories.

The local Abenaki community was appalled and disavowed the “protesters,” saying they had no knowledge of the people involved, and further, that the site was not a burial ground.

Most students seem utterly disgusted. Even the “liberals.”

9 posted on 09/13/2013 2:02:18 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Spirochete

Vermonters must be total pussies. What kind of person watches this and doesn’t do anything to stop it? (Especially considering the pansies who were doing it.)


10 posted on 09/13/2013 2:03:15 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Venturer

~~~What they did is theft.

Swear out a warrant and have them arrested.~~~

This is the correct response.


11 posted on 09/13/2013 2:03:20 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: pabianice

Anna Shireman-Grabowski, she came forward. Not students at that college. Local tribal member said there is no burial ground at that site. His father served in the military, he did, and his son does. He said (Don Stevens?) that putting flags which represent bravery would not desecrate a burial ground.

Legal Insurrection has her statement.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/09/which-was-worse-middlebury-911-flag-grabbing-or-oberlin-racism-hoax-reader-poll/


12 posted on 09/13/2013 2:05:05 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: mojito

Ah, so they are standard lib liars making things up and stealing things.


13 posted on 09/13/2013 2:05:23 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Spirochete

According to other articles this location is not an Abenaki Burial Ground.


14 posted on 09/13/2013 2:08:36 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: pabianice
There are two Abenaki “tribes” recognized by Vermont. There are no lands or “burial grounds” recognized by any reputable authority.

I suspect that the “in protest of America’s imperialism” excuse is the real reason for destroying personal property on public property.

Based on the picture, those are a couple of 10th year students on that campus.

Too much pot, too few brain cells left.

15 posted on 09/13/2013 2:08:42 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: pabianice

I’d have smashed their heads in.


16 posted on 09/13/2013 2:11:32 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Right Wing Assault

I think these morons “self-identify” as native Americans.


17 posted on 09/13/2013 2:11:42 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: All

The “Native” who was with the four (4) “non-natives”, Amanda Lickers, has her words at this site.

Does she not know that many tribes “stole”, “murdered”, “raped” other “Native American Tribes”? That many tribes did not have the concept of ownership of the land?

She is UNINFORMED and IMHO, unstable.


18 posted on 09/13/2013 2:12:36 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: All

oops, forgot link

http://climate-connections.org/2013/09/12/vermont-protestors-remove-american-flags-at-911-memorial-in-act-of-solidarity/


19 posted on 09/13/2013 2:13:13 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: mojito
The local Abenaki community was appalled and disavowed the “protesters,” saying they had no knowledge of the people involved, and further, that the site was not a burial ground.

In other words, it was a totally made-up excuse.

If the vandals had stated their real reason for doing it, they would have been run out of the campus.

20 posted on 09/13/2013 2:16:47 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: texas booster
Based on the picture, those are a couple of 10th year students on that campus.

They weren't even students, at least not on that campus.

They are the same as common vandals.

21 posted on 09/13/2013 2:17:41 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: machogirl

Anna Shireman-Grabowski. Her next project needs to be to tear up the concrete sidewalks, since they pierce the “burial ground,” and haul them away. I believe there are fence post and light poles that do the same, so she needs to remove them, too.

I stand in full solidarity of her when she begins the sidewalk/post/pole removal project, which I hope is very soon, since I can’t wait to see her try it. ;-)

/s just in case


22 posted on 09/13/2013 2:19:21 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: pabianice

On Quinn&Rose this morning, it was reported that only one of the five “protestors” was a student there. The rest were outside agitators.


23 posted on 09/13/2013 2:23:41 PM PDT by kidd (No blood for ego)
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To: Venturer; All

Pepperdine University on the Pacific Coast Highway, CA, has the most beautiful display of flags, as they’ve had for years now, commemorating 9-11.
The display may be up until Sunday - don’t know for sure.

Because the campus is on a gorgeous piece of real estate - a huge hill - the flags are super impressive.

On our way to a play rehearsal in Pacific Palisades, my granddaughter and I first saw the flag holders planted, and the next time we passed by, the flags were there.
That day there was a breeze, so the hundreds of large waving flags was breathtaking.
Last night there was no breeze at all, and the stillness of hundreds of lighted flags was calm and peaceful - like a silent prayer.

Some may like to make a note to stop by Pepperdine this time next year. Day or night.

R E M E M B E R
9-11


24 posted on 09/13/2013 2:25:58 PM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: pabianice

“You got to ask yourself one question....do I feel lucky? Well do you...punk?!!”


25 posted on 09/13/2013 2:27:02 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: pabianice

The young can be remarkably clueless.


26 posted on 09/13/2013 2:30:54 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: pabianice

If this was a memorial for blacks who died in slavery, the students involved would have been arrested and face academic expulsion.

If this was a memorial for those Syrians who were gassed by their own rebel troops, the students involved would have been arrested and face academic expulsion.

I’m just curious, at what point does mainstream America get the same rights as ‘minorities’?


27 posted on 09/13/2013 2:32:55 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: pabianice

So is it really an Indian burial ground? If not, that’s just more reason to arrest and prosecute the thieves. Where was campus security, or is this college a liberal one where liberals have freedom to do as they wish but conservatives are questioned on everything?


28 posted on 09/13/2013 2:39:03 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: jeffc
"So is it really an Indian burial ground?"

Of course not. Notice the sidewalk and the trees "penetrating the ground". It was just an excuse to be as unAmerican as a communist agitator can be.

29 posted on 09/13/2013 2:42:46 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: pabianice

I have to wonder if (ex)Prof. Ward Churchill has his grubby fingers in this. Also, as I look at the photo, I see a perfect place to put my boot.


30 posted on 09/13/2013 2:51:44 PM PDT by W.Lee (It took me a long time to learn my elbow from a hot rock.)
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To: pabianice

What? This isn’t going to “foster a discussion”?


31 posted on 09/13/2013 2:57:57 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: pabianice
the scumbags should have some teeth uprooted from their mouth...
32 posted on 09/13/2013 3:06:07 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Right Wing Assault

If she is “standing on principles” (no pun intended, ha), she needs to dismantle that campus bit by bit, and also every Libby Millionaire/Billionaire’s country manors up in Vermont. Perhaps Ben and Jerry’s place?


33 posted on 09/13/2013 3:08:54 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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Perhaps Ben and Jerry’s place?

I'd volunteer to help rip that down.

34 posted on 09/13/2013 3:23:47 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: headstamp 2

Sounds like a bunch of false flags


35 posted on 09/13/2013 3:26:30 PM PDT by Catechuman
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To: Right Wing Assault
light poles

Ooh, yes, I do see a couple light posts and a trash can in the pic! Those usually have a metal stake piercing the ground to chain them to. Go get em, Anna Shitewoman-Grabowski.

36 posted on 09/13/2013 3:26:53 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: pabianice

I attended a very liberal, quasi-Ivy League college back in the 1970s. If anyone had attempted to do what these little fools did, they would have had the living shit kicked out of them - and that would have been that. Even our campus radicals didn’t hate America so much that they’d willingly destroy a memorial to innocents murdered by terrorists.


37 posted on 09/13/2013 3:35:46 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: colorado tanker
This was not a “protest” - it was vandalism and theft. They should have been arrested.

...by Chuck Norris.

38 posted on 09/13/2013 3:36:56 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: pabianice

I would love to send a 7.62 NATO round right square into that little commie butt!


39 posted on 09/13/2013 4:11:32 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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...the protestors told him they were "confiscating" the flags in protest of "America's imperialism."
What are their FR nicks?


40 posted on 09/13/2013 4:23:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: machogirl; pabianice
Likkers is about as much Native American/"First Nations as Shirley Q. Liquor is black.

She seems to be from, or at least based, in Montreal. She is a self described "anarchaqueer ciswoman", who claims to be a member of the Turtle Clan of one of the tribes of the Iroquois Nation, and part of a group (Onkwehon:we) that is on a par with La Raza.

I'll bet, however, that if anyone asks her if she's a Turtle, whe doesn't know the right answer. ;-')


Here she be, in all her gory.

41 posted on 09/13/2013 6:11:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: machogirl
If she is “standing on principles” (no pun intended, ha), she needs to dismantle that campus bit by bit

In an other article I read, she said that she wants the campus "repatriated", and the offending bricks and stones removed. I kid you not. Apparently, that was part of the reason she was there in the first place.

42 posted on 09/13/2013 6:44:39 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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