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Tea party friction: Sen. Rand Paul lashes Ted Cruz approach to Russia and China
DallasNews.com ^ | 3:48 pm on September 10, 2013 | Todd J. Gillman

Posted on 09/14/2013 10:00:42 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

Edited on 09/14/2013 11:12:44 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: jpsb; Kennard

These are two of the most important posts I have read in a long time. Everything else is secondary.........including Cruz/Paul amnesty positions.


51 posted on 09/14/2013 2:05:45 PM PDT by w4women ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism" - Reagan)
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To: uncommonsense

Thanks ...you beat me to posting that. Geez what is with these weakling-brains supposedly on our side helping the Dems tear down the very people we need elected.

Rand and Cruz, go you guys... you two are the only hope we got in DC.


52 posted on 09/14/2013 4:14:31 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.


You think that has the remotest chance of ever happening? Let reality sink in huh?


53 posted on 09/14/2013 4:19:19 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: jpsb

The deport them all people would be wise to realize (like it or not) the USA is not going to forcibly remove 25 to 30 million illegals. That is just not going to happen. I don’t like sad fact either, but being a realist I have to accept that mass deportation is off the table. Paul knows this and Cruz knows it too. So what now? Protect the border, protect the vote and no new pathway to citizenship which is exactly what Paul was proposing.


I keep seeing that you make sense here among the herd of feeble minded, thank you.


54 posted on 09/14/2013 4:23:33 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: jpsb

The deport them all people would be wise to realize (like it or not) the USA is not going to forcibly remove 25 to 30 million illegals. That is just not going to happen. I don’t like sad fact either, but being a realist I have to accept that mass deportation is off the table. Paul knows this and Cruz knows it too. So what now? Protect the border, protect the vote and no new pathway to citizenship which is exactly what Paul was proposing.


I keep seeing that you make sense here among the herd of feeble minded, thank you.


55 posted on 09/14/2013 4:23:33 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

thank you (twice) :)


56 posted on 09/14/2013 4:30:23 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, and our side buys it hook, line, and stinker. That is why we always lose! LOL


57 posted on 09/14/2013 4:36:08 PM PDT by dforest (UT)
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To: cripplecreek

Who do you think he was talking about? Someone else who holds the exact same position as Cruz?


58 posted on 09/14/2013 8:00:27 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: SoConPubbie
Paul makes me nervous. If he were the nominee, I feel we would be having to do weekly facepalms with his ping-pong comments. Like with immigration, which he seems to switch on monthly.
Cruz just seems more mature and seasoned, despite his shorter stay on the nat'l stage.
59 posted on 09/14/2013 8:11:01 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul supports Neo-Soviet Russia and Red China and Ted Cruz supports the USA.


60 posted on 09/14/2013 8:15:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: SoConPubbie

Ron Paul Jr is exactly like the old man. Don’t be fooled.
There is one big difference though. The old Ron Paul told you exactly what he believed and never swayed from his principles. He was true libertarian and spoke and acted like one. He didn’t say thinks to confuse the issue. He railed against democrats and republicans alike. Ron Paul Jr.
has the same ideas as the old man but tries to spin it like he’s a real conservative, a GOP conservative. Case in point is he would never come right out and say we need to bring back all our forces from overseas and that all the meddling we do causes more problems. Now Ron Paul Jr, believes this but no way in hell he’s gonna say it. He knows he would be seen as a nutcase if he did. The old man had no qualms about saying it. In otherwords the old man, like him or not had a believes system, Ron Paul Jr. does not. Ted Cruz on the otherhand is true conservative, believes in America and articulates his position as well as Ronald Reagan did. He also does not try to fool people into believing he’s for something when he’s not. Cruz is the future of the party, Ron Paul Jr. is not.


61 posted on 09/14/2013 8:20:34 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: PieterCasparzen

NeoCONS control the democrats and NeoCONS contol the establishment GOP. Their goal is neverending wars. Obama is GW Bush’s half brother.


62 posted on 09/14/2013 8:23:05 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: 1010RD
Cruz has left me on this one. We negotiate with Putin because he's right. We are in a war against Islamists and countries that support them. In Syria we have another attempt by the Islamists rebels to take over a secular country.

The American backlash against the strike shows that the base of both parties believe that Obama is on the wrong side. He is the enemy with in, and is being ignored.

Cruz and Christy are cuddling up to Obama. At this point Rand is my man.

63 posted on 09/14/2013 8:31:20 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Support?

Garbage

64 posted on 09/14/2013 8:34:34 PM PDT by duckln
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To: duckln

So what you’re saying is that Obama is right to negotiate with Putin. You’re saying that Obama thinks Putin is right.


65 posted on 09/14/2013 8:47:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Founding Fathers agreed that we had to get rid of the British Crown and that was about the sole issue they all unanimously saw eye to eye on. They fought like Tasmanian Devils over just about everything else.

I have no doubt that Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and everyone else in the Tea Party will be able work past any differences they have in foreign policy, and for that matter social issues and anything else, once they remind themselves that keeping basic American liberties alive trump everything else. And Obama clearly plays the same fundamental role the King of England once did here, this will never be lost on Paul or Cruz.


66 posted on 09/14/2013 9:17:55 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: SunkenCiv

“Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.”

Why not? President Eisenhower deported a couple million and the rest stampeded into a retreat back across the Mexican border. This happened in the late 1950s.

This attitude that we must capitulate to illegal aliens invading our country infuriates me.

If someone climbs over my back fence, takes up residence in my tool she and later demands the right to stay, is it my fault for allowing it? Sure, a case can be made for that, but doesn’t change the situation — the invaders must leave.


67 posted on 09/15/2013 3:45:09 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OFCITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: NKP_Vet
Ron Paul Jr is exactly like the old man. Don’t be fooled. There is one big difference though. The old Ron Paul told you exactly what he believed and never swayed from his principles. He was true libertarian and spoke and acted like one. He didn’t say thinks to confuse the issue. He railed against democrats and republicans alike. Ron Paul Jr. has the same ideas as the old man but tries to spin it like he’s a real conservative, a GOP conservative.

That's my feeling as well.

Rand Paul is his father, just with better PR packaging.
68 posted on 09/15/2013 9:18:53 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: uncommonsense

Nice post, however, it lacks the facts where Rand Paul is concerned.

He wants to LEGALIZE 2 million Undocumented Democrats, each and every year, based on a “Certification” from a US Congress that is already half(Democrats) thinking that the border is secure right now.

That is what we call Amnesty no matter how often Rand Paul throws around the words “Secure” and “Border” in the same sentence or paragraph.

This is the same thing as McCain spouting this “Secure Border” nonsense, just another flavor of it.

At the end of the day, all of Rand Pauls pretty words notwithstanding, his policy STILL GRANTS AMNESTY to 2 million Illegal Aliens, each and every year, by making them legal.

He is lying to you.


69 posted on 09/15/2013 10:36:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: duckln

I like them both and they represent critical elements in conservatism and the American electorate. I’d like to see them form an administration together.

The one thing that attracts me to Rand is his apparent willingness to eliminate departments. That’s something Reagan didn’t even touch, despite the two DOEs being brand new under Carter.

A POTUS who would kill those two departments can simply take their funding and give it to the states as per capita grants to spend on their own education and energy programs. Kill the departments at the federal level, collect the taxes that funded their budgets and pass it along to the states. The states are desperate for the money, make it no strings attached - education and energy, their choice how to spend it.

We need a return to federalism. Ideally, you’d kill the funding some time in the future.


70 posted on 09/16/2013 5:16:06 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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