The House can definitely deny funds for obamacare or any other unconstitutional, runaway, big government boondoggle it wishes to deny by simply not funding it.
The senate has no say. The president has no say. If the House does not pass an appropriations bill for the program, there is no bill for the senate to alter or for the president to sign, and no funds for the project.
It's in the Appropriations Clause.
Excerpted from the Heritage Foundation:
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 7
The Appropriations Clause is the cornerstone of Congress's "power of the purse." It assigns to Congress the role of final arbiter of the use of public funds. The source of Congress's power to spend derives from Article I, Section 8, Clause 1. The Appropriations Clause provides Congress with a mechanism to control or to limit spending by the federal government. The Framers chose the particular language of limitation, not authorization, for the first part of the clause and placed it in Section 9 of Article I, along with other restrictions on governmental actions to limit, most notably, executive action.
In The Federalist No. 58, James Madison described the centrality of the power of the purse's role in the growth of representative government and its particular importance in the Constitution's governmental structure:
"The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose the supplies requisite for the support of the government. They, in a word, hold the purse—that powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure."
Much more at link, including the power to change, suspend, or rescind prior funding bills. The funds still have to be appropriated by the current House of Representatives before they can be spent. And the House can deny funding for any department, agency or program it wishes to defund without even having to pass a bill.
http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/67/appropriations-clause
Dear Republican Congress:
Hold the line!! The House has the power of the purse and the power to deny funds!!
Use your constitutional power to deny ObamaCare!!
When Obama/Reid and the demonrats come to you begging for money to fund the government, say here it is and present your prepared appropriations bills — with zero funds for obamacare — and let them know straight up that there will also be NO debt limit increase and, throwing Obama’s own words back at them, there will be NO negotiations!!
If they say no or refuse to go along, reject what the senate demonrats send back to you and begin passing “clean” appropriations bills one by one funding each essential department with no amendments allowed. Double dog dare them to deny funding to each department, one by one!!
The House holds all the constitutional cards in the appropriations game.
The only power Obama and Reid have is a mean-spirited attempt to try to shutdown the entire government in retaliation for the House denying funds for the president’s pet, unconstitutional, nation-wrecking, Marxist spread-the-wealth-around boondoggle -- a jobs-killing boondoggle that the American people do not want. But that (the shutdown) won’t work either. The essential parts of government will go on. The military will be paid. Social security checks will go out. Critical obligations will be paid.
The main effect of the Obama shutdown will be a whole lot of non-essential employees (excess baggage) from the bloated federal government get laid off. Whoopee.
Keep up the good work and the defunding battle all the way to Nov 2014 if necessary. We the people have your backs!!
It’s your constitutional power and duty to control the UNCONSTITUTIONAL runaway government.
Obamacare, if allowed to stand, is the death knell of our constitutional republic. Obamacare sets the precedent, approved by the Robert's Court, that there are no constitutional limits on what government can demand of the people. This bad ruling will be overturned eventually, but in the meantime, it's up to we the people to stop obamacare and we've elected you specifically to do that.
Gentlemen and gentlewomen, Do your duty!!
Here’s a thought. Have a government shutdown long enough to pay for any money that would be going to Obamacare.
By denying money to other parts of the government, at least we won’t be spending any more in deficit on Obamacare. And it will start to soften them up for some real cuts further down the line.
So, for a slogan: “We can save 10% on the budget by shutting down the government until we have spent 10% less.”
Yes, it is totally irrational, but it would be hilarious.
The only people not throwing in the towel are us on the right who truly want it to go away!
Rand is not saying it is not possible to defeat obamacare. He is just noting that the GOP is majority led by establishment types who are gonna fold like accordions and that is why defeating it, at least this yea, may simply be too tall of an order. The House can eliminate obamacare, but is not gonna go through with it unless there are many more Rand Pauls and Ted Cruzes. Paul seems to be simply saying that the GOP elites who are the majority in the House are way too weak willed to join him and Ted Cruz in the trenches.
This is a sad day for Paul. He caved and conceded before the fight began. Any Republicrat in the House that votes for the bill on a discharge petition is political HISTORY.Hold Hold — We will win!!
Hey Rand, what did they offer you?
When I was studying the Constitution in law school, and when we studied the Vietnam War in history classes in college, the liberals were all agog at the strength of the Congress regarding the power of the purse. They liked to talk about how Congress used its power to appropriate money to force a President to stop fighting a war. If Congress can force a President to surrender to Communists, Congress can certainly force a Communist to surrender to American patriots.
Cut and paste all of the following:
WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM
From Free Republic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3069892/posts?page=1
"Paul is wrong. Reid is wrong. McCain is wrong. We don't need the irrational senate to pass a defunding bill. We don't need to pass a bill at all.
The House can definitely deny funds for obamacare or any other unconstitutional, runaway, big government boondoggle it wishes to deny by simply not funding it.
The senate has no say. The president has no say. If the House does not pass an appropriations bill for the program, there is no bill for the senate to alter or for the president to sign, and no funds for the project.
It's in the Appropriations Clause.
Excerpted from the Heritage Foundation:
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 7
The Appropriations Clause is the cornerstone of Congress's "power of the purse." It assigns to Congress the role of final arbiter of the use of public funds. The source of Congress's power to spend derives from Article I, Section 8, Clause 1. The Appropriations Clause provides Congress with a mechanism to control or to limit spending by the federal government. The Framers chose the particular language of limitation, not authorization, for the first part of the clause and placed it in Section 9 of Article I, along with other restrictions on governmental actions to limit, most notably, executive action.
In The Federalist No. 58, James Madison described the centrality of the power of the purse's role in the growth of representative government and its particular importance in the Constitution's governmental structure:
"The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose the supplies requisite for the support of the government. They, in a word, hold the purse—that powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure."
Much more at link, including the power to change, suspend, or rescind prior funding bills. The funds still have to be appropriated by the current House of Representatives before they can be spent. And the House can deny funding for any department, agency or program it wishes to defund without even having to pass a bill.
http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/67/appropriations-clause
Dear Republican Congress:
Hold the line!! The House has the power of the purse and the power to deny funds!!
Use your constitutional power to deny ObamaCare!!
When Obama/Reid and the demonrats come to you begging for money to fund the government, say here it is and present your prepared appropriations bills — with zero funds for obamacare — and let them know straight up that there will also be NO debt limit increase and, throwing Obama’s own words back at them, there will be NO negotiations!!
If they say no or refuse to go along, reject what the senate demonrats send back to you and begin passing “clean” appropriations bills one by one funding each essential department with no amendments allowed. Double dog dare them to deny funding to each department, one by one!!
The House holds all the constitutional cards in the appropriations game.
The only power Obama and Reid have is a mean-spirited attempt to try to shutdown the entire government in retaliation for the House denying funds for the president’s pet, unconstitutional, nation-wrecking, Marxist spread-the-wealth-around boondoggle -- a jobs-killing boondoggle that the American people do not want. But that (the shutdown) won’t work either. The essential parts of government will go on. The military will be paid. Social security checks will go out. Critical obligations will be paid.
The main effect of the Obama shutdown will be a whole lot of non-essential employees (excess baggage) from the bloated federal government get laid off. Whoopee.
Keep up the good work and the defunding battle all the way to Nov 2014 if necessary. We the people have your backs!!
It’s your constitutional power and duty to control the UNCONSTITUTIONAL runaway government.
Obamacare, if allowed to stand, is the death knell of our constitutional republic. Obamacare sets the precedent, approved by the Robert's Court, that there are no constitutional limits on what government can demand of the people. This bad ruling will be overturned eventually, but in the meantime, it's up to we the people to stop obamacare and we've elected you specifically to do that.
Gentlemen and gentlewomen, Do your duty!!"
1 posted on Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:10:57 AM by Jim Robinson
Send to everyone you know and ask them to send it to at least 5 people they know. Make it go viral!
My husband and I, our three children, their spouses, my five adult grandchildren and all my neighbors, relatives and friends have already signed the petition.
Doin’ what we can. I pray that it works.
I love these Republicans that are all to willing to lay down and die for the establishment. They view the government as some type of unstoppable juggernaut. That government has it’s own inertia and there is nothing they can do about it.
Lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for! Stay the course Sen. Cruz!
Absolutely! Leave it to the long ago American heroes who composed the Constitution to get it right, those old boys knew from experience about an all-powerful government and how treacherous it can be.
The Constitution's authors designed Congress to be the People's House, so let's tell our reps in no uncertain terms to ignore the sticks and stones that the far left media will throw at them and starve the Obamacare monster in it's vile cradle. It's now become obvious that the American people don't want any part of abominable Obamacare, and we MUST let our critters in Congress know that we will stick with them in the next election if they will simply do what we elected them to do in the previous election. If that means shutting down most of the government for a while so be it, we can outlast the other side because we aren't dependent on government for practically everything we need or want and they are.
The Republic is ending and I'm glad I'm getting in latter days so I don't have to watch the greatest experiment in liberty die. I cry for my kids and my grand-children.
I remember all our freedoms. I grew up with those freedoms and cherished them all from my teens on. I joined the Navy because I believe in those liberties and wanted to protect them. Now, our Fedgov has limited almost every one of the Constitutional freedoms that I swore an Oath to defend. They limit our liberties from cradle to grave.
I will still fight, but I'm getting more dismayed every day as the Fedgov controls our lives.
Bless you Jim. We had our issues, but I've always known you to be the truest Patriot. Best wishes on your operation.
Why do we care about the credit rating of theses united States?
Why should we want it to be “cheap” for the present generation of politicians to spend the money of future generations instead of relying upon present voters for the revenue their acts require?
Credit might be a great idea when it comes to an individual who has but one life to live and doesn’t pass on his or her debt’s to his or her children, but its a terribly unfair & unjust idea for a country!
So why is it that we should desire to preserve this credit rating?
Indeed the reason we have such large amounts of debt today is in no small a measure a direct result of the relative ease by which theses burdens were created by politicians who enjoyed all the benefits of the spending while leaving the burdens to we the future.
They could do this for one simple reason: The USA has good credit and therefore access to cheap money from the future. This of course is not sustainable, as there comes a point now foreseeable in our future where the interest upon that growing debt will be greater than our revenue, and the burdens already in ‘law’ upon us will be so great and so defended by a now dependent constituency that there could be no solution short of the wild promises of fascism.
If you care for democracy, or event justice for the future I urge you to destroy the credit rating of theses united States!
There can be no more justice than there is fiscal accountability over the long run. Just as there can be no democracy among a dependent population at war over what little remains of each other’s wallets.
“In The Federalist No. 58, James Madison described the centrality of the power of the purse’s role in the growth of representative government and its particular importance in the Constitution’s governmental structure:
“The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose the supplies requisite for the support of the government. They, in a word, hold the purse—that powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.”
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Well someone should tell mister James Maddsion that this power is about to be demonstrated dead in the hands of the republican party if they vote not to uphold such cuts, there can be no stopping any president or Federal government from gaining power.
This quote from James Maddison from Federal 58 should be reprinted on EVERY news Broadcast and news paper in America. Americans should know that their republic is dead before a useless house.