Revealed: The House GOP’s Debt-Ceiling Plan

National Review ^ | 09/26/2013 | Jonathan Strong

[gwjack]

Hi NELSON, I hope you are well.

Perhaps the delay until end of December is to accommodate GOPers running for re-election? They can’t be expected to be shackled in Washington while there are votes to be gathered. Can they?

Gwjack

[sickoflibs]

RE :”1.) DEFUND Obamacare in 2013; and..”

Thats plan A. It looks like the House is now proposing plan B just in case plan A fails to get passed.

If Obamacare gets defunded then their proposal makes no sense.

Tells me that Bohner doesnt plan on being the shutdown/defund hero if Reid is successful and this release is a preemptive strike. But you figured that out already.

[SeekAndFind]

Here’s the plan in 2 sentences:

Whatever Obama threatens to “shut down,” immediately appropriate the funds to prevent the “shutdown. BUT ADD A RIDER TO EVERY FUND APPROPRIATIONS BILL — NO FUNDS FOR OBAMACARE.

[SeekAndFind]

And continue this ad nauseaum.

[Graewoulf]

Yup. It is called staying on the OFFENSE !

[COBOL2Java]

The grass isn’t tall enough

[TheBattman]

The problem though, is that if ObamaCare is funded - it will NEVER be repealed. Period

Federal programs like this never go away. They might get renamed, but they don’t go away, they only grow bigger, less efficient, and more expensive. Period.

Even the supposed Welfare reforms of the Clinton days didn’t really get rid of Welfare, it just shifted programs, renamed programs, and “shuffled the deck”. And the few tiny improvements (like requirements to work) have been removed by Obummer...

[NELSON111]

>>>Federal programs like this never go away. They might get renamed, but they don’t go away, they only grow bigger, less efficient, and more expensive. Period.

I disagree. There are instances in the past, as was pointed out on Hannity yesterday by Cornyn (rare moment of clarity), where funded federal programs have been done away with. The the seniors showed up and started pounding on cars...The Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988 was repealed.

I have NO DOUBTS the revolt will be MASSIVE. A year delay gives the dems time to buy off their voters...and there is NO WAY it gets repealed after a year delay. NONE. Now...if it could be delayed until 2018...and we have a GOP president, house and senate...then yes.

But right now...the only hope is a massive revolt...and that won't happen until people are made painfully aware of the truth.

Ask yourself ONE question: If Joe M from WV is for a delay...and the GOP-E is for a delay...do you really think this is the best way? We spend all of our time bashing the GOP-E on this site...and yet now we are going to trust them?

Not me. They're up to something.

[NELSON111]

>>>Perhaps the delay until end of December is to accommodate GOPers running for re-election? They can’t be expected to be shackled in Washington while there are votes to be gathered. Can they?

Not sure....but I do know this: I do not trust Boehner. I do not trust the GOP-E. If they think this is a good idea...I naturally have to be suspect of it. What have they done in good faith and in the best interests of the American People.

[TheBattman]

Not sure I understand what your argument is vs what I posted. My statement was about the FUNDING of ObamaCare, not the delay. The delay in question puts the whole thing off until after the next big election cycle - which is NO HELP at all - this needs to be issue #1 next Fall! IF the delay in question is taken - the issue becomes immediately forgotten. The Sheep have very short attention spans.

I am all about a total defunding and starting over to address the real issues, not a massive, and super-expensive, economy-killing kludge like the PPACA (which protects very few, and is pretty much unaffordable for many).