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Top MIT scientist: Newest UN climate report is ‘hilariously’ flawed
The Daily Caller ^ | September 29, 2013 | Michael Bastasch

Posted on 09/29/2013 2:00:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Not all scientists are panicking about global warming — one of them finds the alarmism “hilarious.”

A top climate scientist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology lambasted a new report by the UN’s climate bureaucracy that blamed mankind as the main cause of global warming and whitewashed the fact that there has been a hiatus in warming for the last 15 years.

“I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence,” Dr. Richard Lindzen told Climate Depot, a global warming skeptic news site. “They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase.”

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change claimed it was 95 percent sure that global warming was mainly driven by human burning of fossil fuels that produce greenhouse gases. The I.P.C.C. also glossed over the fact that the Earth has not warmed in the past 15 years, arguing that the heat was absorbed by the ocean.

“Their excuse for the absence of warming over the past 17 years is that the heat is hiding in the deep ocean,” Lindzen added. “However, this is simply an admission that the models fail to simulate the exchanges of heat between the surface layers and the deeper oceans.”

“However, it is this heat transport that plays a major role in natural internal variability of climate, and the IPCC assertions that observed warming can be attributed to man depend crucially on their assertion that these models accurately simulate natural internal variability,” Lindzen continued. “Thus, they now, somewhat obscurely, admit that their crucial assumption was totally unjustified.”

Scientists have been struggling to explain the 15-year hiatus in global warming....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climatechange; environmentalists; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; gorebullwarming; ipcc; lindzen; mit; richardlindzen; un; unitednations
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1 posted on 09/29/2013 2:00:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls our climates.

3. The earth is a rock.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


2 posted on 09/29/2013 2:04:27 PM PDT by abclily
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The I.P.C.C. also glossed over the fact that the Earth has not warmed in the past 15 years, arguing that the heat was absorbed by the ocean.

If there is so much heat going into the ocean, why aren't there more hurricanes?

3 posted on 09/29/2013 2:07:19 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'll never get tired of posting this link, it gives me a chuckle every time I read it.

STUDY: Climate change causing climate models to become less reliable.

4 posted on 09/29/2013 2:07:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly how does all that extra heat end up hiding in the deep ocean?


5 posted on 09/29/2013 2:09:10 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Science.


6 posted on 09/29/2013 2:17:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: abclily

Oh don’t be ridiculous.....


7 posted on 09/29/2013 2:17:49 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: abclily

I LOVE that


8 posted on 09/29/2013 2:19:43 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yet this Kool-Aid drinker is in tears over the latest AGW blather. Business Insider is all over it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/meterologist-eric-holthaus-quits-air-travel-2013-9


9 posted on 09/29/2013 2:20:43 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is worth noting that one of the greatest weaknesses of the generally accepted beliefs about global warming/climate change/whatever weather is that A causes B in a simple, linear mental model in which one factor (fossil fuel burning) causes undesirable climate. There are other factors discussed but the dominant factor is fossil fuel burning. However, the climate is what scientists call a complex system and does not behave linearly nor is it simple, gradual, smooth cause-and-effect relationship over time. The author is at MIT, which is one of the homes, if not THE home, of dynamic, complex systems thinking. Freepers might use this bit of knowledge when accosted by climate change people who are guided by these simple mental models.


10 posted on 09/29/2013 2:21:59 PM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Also, why don’t kids boil when they play on the beaches in CA?


11 posted on 09/29/2013 2:22:27 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: GeronL

“Exactly how does all that extra heat end up hiding in the deep ocean?”

The Global Warming pseudo-scientists put it there so the skeptics couldn’t find it.


12 posted on 09/29/2013 2:27:36 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Excessive numbers of coincidences are known as patterns.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

UN fraud alert for later......


13 posted on 09/29/2013 2:27:56 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence,” [said] Dr. Richard Lindzen

This is quotable.

14 posted on 09/29/2013 2:29:58 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When I was growing up the same scientists talked about global cooling, that all the pollution was blocking the sun and moving us towards a new ice age. That was based on the same type of projection, taking temperatures for the last 10 years and assuming they were caused by pollution, and would keep shifting the same way forever.
15 posted on 09/29/2013 2:33:48 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: RetiredTexasVet

lol


16 posted on 09/29/2013 2:36:44 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Makes sense.


17 posted on 09/29/2013 2:40:11 PM PDT by Richard from IL
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To: GeronL
Exactly how does all that extra heat end up hiding in the deep ocean?

Two common answers come to mind. Feel free to pick either.

1) Global warming causes that

2) Its Bush's fault

18 posted on 09/29/2013 2:46:23 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Joe Bastardi explains what has happened to the heat in the oceans and why the IPCC report truly is hilarious.
19 posted on 09/29/2013 2:49:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: GeronL
Exactly how does all that extra heat end up hiding in the deep ocean?

Heat sinks.

Ba-da-bing! I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

20 posted on 09/29/2013 2:51:51 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

d’oh

actually heat rises... I think


21 posted on 09/29/2013 2:53:10 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: abclily

“5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?”

We need 6. Congresscritters are millions of times more worthjless than less-than-specs.

Study Question: What is the minimum cost of eliminating, crushing, and removing all knowledge of congresscritters?


22 posted on 09/29/2013 2:53:56 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: GeronL

Hey, what the heck, they get to make up science, I get to make up science.


23 posted on 09/29/2013 2:55:07 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: abclily
Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?

They are not sure because they are only ignorant politicians, but they do know they can look like they are doing something if they just tax us more.

24 posted on 09/29/2013 2:55:17 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s this game too: The summary is a political document that has almost nothing to do with the scientific report (released tomorrow). The politicians talk about the summary, the scientists talk about the science report but they are talking about two very different things.


25 posted on 09/29/2013 2:58:15 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Billthedrill

bump


26 posted on 09/29/2013 3:00:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: DManA

The UN-scientists (aka: unscientists) should be forced to read their less than worthless dissertations. In their case, PhD means piled higher and deeper.


27 posted on 09/29/2013 3:04:49 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: abclily

“Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?”

By taxing Americans and giving that money to the DNC. Was this a trick question?


28 posted on 09/29/2013 3:07:34 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: Zack Attack

“Two common answers come to mind. Feel free to pick either.

1) Global warming causes that

2) Its Bush’s fault”

You sir are a racist.


29 posted on 09/29/2013 3:09:14 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The HuffPo has a piece on the IPCC report praising their efforts. One of my comments was to paraphrase, “Why is climate change only affecting America?”

I was flagged.


30 posted on 09/29/2013 3:11:27 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: cicero2k

Sounds to me like BI is behind him.


31 posted on 09/29/2013 3:28:14 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well so far, these highly-funded recipients of grants to “study” GW have been laughing all the way to the bank ...


32 posted on 09/29/2013 3:48:51 PM PDT by mikrofon (Gore-bull Warning)
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To: abclily

Its not about controlling the sun, or the earth, or the temperature.

Its about controlling the people.


33 posted on 09/29/2013 3:50:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

How is the heat getting into the ocean?


34 posted on 09/29/2013 3:51:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GeronL
Exactly how does all that extra heat end up hiding in the deep ocean?

The 'climate deniers' are scaring the heat. That's why it's hiding in the oceans, silly.

35 posted on 09/29/2013 3:51:13 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: driftdiver
How is the heat getting into the ocean?

Karl Rove's weather machine.

36 posted on 09/29/2013 3:54:37 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GeronL
actually heat rises... I think

Now that's where you'd be wrong, Mr. Smartypants!

The overwhelming consensus of scientists proves that all that extra heat from your SUV dived into the oceans, and is scared to come out because you continue to disbelieve!!!

It's people like you who are killing Mother Gaia!!!!!

37 posted on 09/29/2013 3:58:42 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No coincidence that the two biggest myths in our modern time...Man Made Global Warming, and, Free Trade....are pushed by many of the same folks...

Starting with Al Gore....


38 posted on 09/29/2013 4:02:27 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Unemployment is so high...its getting harder for Obama to job people anymore)
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To: driftdiver
How is the heat getting into the ocean?

I think just heating up the top layer from air temperature and sunlight, and currents push the warm water into deeper layers. How this is actually supposed to work, since heat rises and will simply rise back up to the surface, I don't really know.

39 posted on 09/29/2013 4:02:54 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Windflier

rofl


40 posted on 09/29/2013 4:03:59 PM PDT by GeronL
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Should be easy to drop a temp gauge way down and see if its really true.

hint - its not true


41 posted on 09/29/2013 4:05:57 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Exactly...its about controlling people

Note that the Global Warming Hoaxster and Environmental folks give a pass to big polluting nations like Communist China, India, Brazil.


42 posted on 09/29/2013 4:07:25 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Unemployment is so high...its getting harder for Obama to job people anymore)
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43 posted on 09/29/2013 4:42:47 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Major brain damage at UMES, but no property damage!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone tell these idiots that we know its a money scam a world wide money scam


44 posted on 09/29/2013 4:44:51 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (What you get when you refuse to vet)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

“The Global Warming pseudo-scientists put it there so the skeptics couldn’t find it.”

Exactly!


45 posted on 09/29/2013 4:51:47 PM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Uh-Oh ! I see MIT losing federal monies due to this !


46 posted on 09/29/2013 4:59:09 PM PDT by AKinAK (Keep your powder dry pilgrim.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


47 posted on 09/29/2013 5:01:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If you look up 'IPCC" in Wikipedia, you will find this as the first sentence : "The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is a scientific intergovernmental body, set up at the request of member governments."

Perhaps the classic example of the abuse and misuse of a popular information resource. That sentence is a complete lie. The IPCC is a political intergovernmental body.
Most people don't know and don't care how the IPCC came about, and have no clue of its genesis. The briefest summary is:

Maurice Strong, who created the fake world crisis, which led to the Kyoto agreements, which in turn prompted the creation of the IPCC, ridden throughout its history with shoddy "science," contradictions, frauds, scandals, and misrepresentations masquerading as science...

People should look into all the items shown in bold above as thoroughly as possible to grasp the extent of the monumental scam.

Many of the ignorant supporters of Anthropogenic Global Warming were not even born when the scam began.
Let's start with the creator, often referred to as the shadowy "George Soros of environmentalism."

Maurice Strong

The subject of this thread, Dr. Richard Lindzen was, as I recall, a lead scientist author on a chapter of a previous IPCC report, and he knows, first hand, better than anyone, the scam the political IPCC has been promoting since 1988, behind the fake façade of "science."

48 posted on 09/29/2013 5:04:56 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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Duh, silly rabbits. Everybody knows that heat sinks and cold rises... duh.

Of course not.


49 posted on 09/29/2013 5:24:51 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: GeronL
Exactly how does all that extra heat end up hiding in the deep ocean?

Unicorns keep livestock at the bottom of the ocean - they put the extra heat in their underwater barns... (My story's as likely as theirs....)

50 posted on 09/29/2013 6:09:51 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Politicians who fear the people seek to disarm them. - - Bill St. Clair)
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