Skip to comments.Government shutdown: Harry Reid spearheads Democratic strategy (refuse to negotiate)
Posted on 09/29/2013 9:07:01 PM PDT by Innovative
When the president considered sitting down with the four congressional leaders in the White House ahead of the deadline to avert a government shutdown, Reid privately urged Obama to call off the meeting, according to several people familiar with the situation. Reid believed that it would amount to nothing more than a photo-op that would give the false impression that a serious negotiation was occurring, even warning he wouldnt attend such a session. Obama scrapped it.
As Washington barrels forward to the first government shutdown in 17 years on Tuesday, the wily Reid has taken the lead role in pushing a hardball Democratic legislative strategy that can be summed up like this: Make the Republicans cave.
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Republicans need to make sure to let everyone know that it’s the Dems who refuse to negotiate and hold the Dems responsible for the government shutdown.
It doesn’t matter who the Republicans tell the truth of the situation. The media continues support the demons and slander the Republicans and the sheeple follow the media line. All the libs I talk to spout the media talking points, it’s Cruz and the Republicans that won’t negotiate, The ACA isn’t costing people more money for insurance, no one is losing their jobs or insurance. I’m fed up with the media still covering Obama’s A$$ five years in.
This POS should be hung!
This POS should be hung!
Just in case the grammar Nazi’s come out...HANGED.
they will try
democrats/libtards run the media
the lies will be spread
say it loud and long and guess what most will believe
The Republicans have to go after the true source of the problem! The media activists are the problem! Every Republican talking about this imminent shutdown on morning talk shows needs to tell the interviewer to "put down your Team Obama Pom Poms and start reporting the facts of this situation!!" We live in a Republic NOT A DICTATORSHIP! Any member of the House of Representatives that goes on live TV should NAIL the Obama ACTIVISTS to the wall for their misreporting who is shutting the government down! HARRY REID and the guy who is probably at the golf course! Go after the media like a pitbull on a porkchop!
It will never happen !!
The OBAMA administration is wed to the press and media
Look at the INCESTUOUS relationship that the administration has had with the media and the press.
We've been had !!
They own the media! and what they haven't owned,.. they've co-opted or extorted into cooperation .
Joseph Goebbles (minister of propaganda)would be envious !!
That there’s funny but who’s the face attached to ABC (Hume?) and Fox? (?)
GOP Tea Party stepped on this one. When one goes to war, one must survey the terrain before attacking. Terrain is this, the MSM will make sure the GOP gets blame for the gov shutdown. If the GOP just passed the CR without attachments, the US will shift attention to the devastating effects of Obamacare as it takes effect. This is call common sense combat. Why the Tea Party and Cruz make a banzai attack across open terrain while the Dems with the MSM lay a PR trap is beyond me?!!! Reid will make the GOP bleed in the PR kill zone extracting maximum damage before the GOP can extract themselves from the attack. Hopefully this does not cost the GOP the house in 2014. If that happens it is in the wilderness for 40 years as the Dems solidify power in the US.
The priority is “Damn the Torpedoes full speed ahead” Stop Obamacare. IOW to ‘H’ with blame. Git er done. Worry about the blame game later as they will keep blaming until they are knocked out of power no matter.
The House holds the purse strings of the Nation. They have to hold together. Tell Reid, and Co. to go suck lemons.
Lotsa FU’s to pass around.
Conservatives should go all the way - a governmental trifecta: government shutdown, budget sequestration, and a balanced budget
You couldn’t be more wrong. I don’t know whether you are in favor of or opposed to Obamacare. It always is easy to go along and it takes courage to act as Cruz and Lee did and oppose funding of Obamacare.
I believe that Cruz and Lee now have a reasonable chance of winning. Even if they lose they will be no worse off than they would have been if they had capitulated. This way, the continued existence if. Obamacare remains in play.
They are heroic.
You are a troll. A long time troll but still a troll.
The problem for the left-wing pundits who dominate these shows is that they are increasingly maintaining an immoral position. They are defending a lie and they are applying a double standard. The immoral position is that the law, even though flawed and harmful to the country, will be maintained and, by implication, should be maintained. They are defending a lie which is that it is the Republicans who are trying to shut down the government when it is the Republicans who are trying to shut down Obamacare and keep the government open; and it is the Democrats who are willing to shut down government to keep Obamacare open. Every word out of their mouths had been to the Republicans are bent of shutting down the government, this week: not so clear. They are defending a double standard which is that arbitrary behavior, such as an unwillingness to negotiate and an unwillingness to compromise on the part of the Democrats is to be condoned while vigor in pursuing a defensible policy position by Republicans is unreasonable.
These inherent anomalies are becoming clear. I think the main reason is the bravura performance of Ted Cruz for 21 hours. He was articulate, he was persuasive, he was factually accurate, and he was none of the things which the left has mischaracterized him to be. The pundits were in the position of telling America, believe us never mind your own eyes. That does not work in the television age.
Further, the intransigence of the Democrats is becoming overbearing. Likewise, the exaggerations of the Democrats calling the Republicans arsonists, blackmailers, extortionists etc. is difficult to defend and it simply does not fit with the narrative.
These reactions are purely subjective and quite possibly the result of wishful thinking. But there are straws in the wind. Did I not accurately hear one of the anchors recite a poll in which the public would now blame the Republicans 39% and the Democrats 36% for a shutdown? If so, the gap is closing rapidly and as more Democrats jump ship, the climate might change entirely.
Please note that the Republicans are demonstrating a willingness to both negotiate and conciliate as they move from repeal to defund to delay. In the wake of this the Democrats are now telling the world they will not even negotiate with Republicans but with the terrorists of the world. Who is reasonable and who is not?
Sooner or later, if the Republicans can hold, the anomalies will become the elephant in the room. That is not to say that the Republicans will prevail merely that there are subjective signs that they are gaining ground.
Obama tells the story that Reid summoned him to his office and he thought the was in trouble. Instead, Reid suggested he run for president. I’m convinced the “powers” tell Reid what to tell Obama.
Pete Sessions from Texas nailed Don Limon. He called him a cheerleader for the democrats.
If a shutdown happens, it is Obaba/Dems who shut it down.
Of course they and the One Party Press will lie about it.
BTW, Adolf Hitler was a psychopath who surrounded himself with the perverted and psychotic. Obaba is a ...... Two cents worth of difference. To Obaba, normal, decent, non-Islamic people are Jews.
I do not support Obamacare. It will create another entitlement for politicians to manipulate and pander with. Today poor will get subsidies provided by working and well off Americans. Sooner or later the illegal immigrants on their pathway to citizenship will demand for healthcare just like they demand for legal status. Politicians will cater to them for votes and expand the Obamacare system till it is no longer financially sustainable. Old trick politicians use to gain power but bankrupt the nation because voters think everything is free or someone else is paying for it.
Reid is a Las Vegas man and he is playing his hand of cards with odds figured in. He has the MSM card who will blame the GOP for causing a gov shutdown. Just look at TV and see how it is reported. He figures the odds that the GOP will come out damaged is greater then the Dems or Obama getting slammed. Just look at who is taking their time and who is sweating late hours to prevent a gov shutdown. Dem Senate is taking their time and the GOP is working the late hours. Who is acting like they are winning and who is stressed out trying to meet a deadline? I agree with Cruz and the Tea Party on many things, but this move is a bonehead one. I call it like I see it. To be successful in a conflict one must be brave, smart and lucky.
You remember me, my favorite free traitor. If you can call me names so can I.
I do not think your impressions are mistaken. There has been a definite, though subtle, change. The 39R/36D poll (assigning “blame”), if true, is devastating to the Democrats strategy. They need this to be a 30 point split (which, IIRC, was roughly what it was pre-95 shutdown), not a 3 point split. In my opinion, what you are seeing is fear. Fear that the opposition to ObamaCare (which resulted in the loss of “Ted Kennedy’s” seat — thus showing how powerful that opposition can be) hasn’t weakened at all. Fear that, as you point out, the Republicans are positioned such that it is actually difficult to blame them for a shutdown. Fear that they are entering into an off-year, not general, election. Fear, perhaps, of internal polling.
And most importantly, and most glaringly, fear of Ted Cruz.
Well, sitting behind a Maginot line with all the guns pointing in the wrong direction is all that the Republican leadership is offering.
“Terrain is this, the MSM will make sure the GOP gets blame for the gov shutdown.”
Who gives a flying rat’s behind what the MSM says? Low information voters? The same voters who always vote democrap anyway??
First, this is not a government “shutdown”. MSM LIE #1.
Second, CrummieCare is not being “defunded”. It’s being blocked from funding because it hasn’t been apportioned yet. MSM LIE #2.
Third, mid-term voters are usually FOR reduced government spending, and they swing the vote when they GET OUT AND VOTE. Wheeny spineless GOP candidates lost 2012 elections because voters stayed home. Voters didn’t vote because their grievances landed on deaf ears. MSM LIE #3.
Fourth, it’s the independents that’ll swing this vote, chief. We’re damned tired of Congress ignoring We the People. We WILL vote for anyone with a spine who will take our message to the floor and do what we ask them to do, regardless of what the lameo commie pinko bastard media spews. They will do as they always do...spinning LIE #2,098,098,109,820,012.
You’re still playing Beltway Basketball like Congress and the poor excuse of a government does. The voters, the People of this STILL great nation, really want us to be playing Rugby instead. Americans love conviction and they eat conflict up with a spoon. They respect it, and that’s what this country needs, not some hot potato bullcrap footsie game played by whimps fearing that they might lose their “hollywood b-bawl image”.
Reid is right. The GOP will cave. McConnell is used to bending over on behalf of the GOP-e. McCain is used to betraying his allies from his years as a VietCong operative. Lindsey Graham is used to doing whatever the Left tells him to, so as to avoid “those photos” of his bathhouse activities from being released. We have perhaps the worst group of traitors that has ever existed in a deliberative body since Ancient Rome.
You and I know the details, but besides us we need a lot more allies to defeat Obamacare. Passions alone will not win it, being tactically astute will. IMHO if the CR was passed without attachments, the Dems cannot distract the problems with Obamacare and the MSM has no cover story to use. Obamacare will be in big trouble in the 2014 election because the GOP will have today till 2014 to harp about it and expose the horror stories.
Now if we want to prove a point by shutting gov down, you just handed the Dems a crisis to detract public attention while the willing MSM gladly pound the GOP. Sen Reid thinks this is what will happen and based on his slow deliberate reaction he is confident of its outcome. If the GOP is confident otherwise, and the MSM is a nonfactor, why are they burning the midnight oil desperately getting a bill out to the Senate? How people behave gives me more info then what they say. Right now the Dems are confident of the outcome of this fight then the GOP.
YEW BETTER PAY ME MY MONEY, YO
Where is McConnell who should be lambasting and excoriating Dingy several times a day on the various topics?
Yep, I’m already hearing it on the news stations, it’s the Republican’s fault.
Democrats: The Party of ‘No!’
From the first paragraph, it appears the DEMOCRATS are the ones who aren’t united on strategy. Of course, you won’t hear that from the media...instead, we hear about the “wily” Reid.
[I detected a subtle change among the talking heads this Sunday as compared to last Sunday. In the discussion among the pundits one week ago there was derision directed toward the Republicans and it continued this week but less vehement, less cocksure than the previous week.]
I agree. And the above story in the left-leaning Politico is a warning to Reid and Senate Democrats that their tactics could backfire.
Make them cave? The Republicans are master Spelunkers.
The GOPers should say:
The same people who told you Obamacare would allow you to keep your insurance plan and doctor, and that your costs for health care would go down $2,500 a year, are the same people who are now telling you that the Republicans are to blame for shutting the government down.
Are you going to believe more of their lies, or are you going to think for yourself?
Many have the feeling that this could backfire on the Democrats big time! Just as the Democrats impose failed policies time and again, thinking that, this time, the failed policy will work!
The previous government shutdown was engineered by the Democrats, but the Republicans were blamed. This Democrat strategy will not work today because even the low information voter knows more about the issues.
The Democrats are not interested in your health care; they are interested in your freedom.
There’s no winning with the old media.
Shut down the gubmint. The real problem with doing so like was done in the sequester, there will be those who will be MADE TO SUFFER all because of a power struggle between odumbo, the demodummies and the repubs.
There are major reasons Reid and the Senate want the gubmint shutdown other than calling the Repubs bluff.
Hume isn’t the face of ABC now. Only in the past. That face is Charles Gibson. The face of FOX is Shep Smith.
“Republicans need to make sure to let everyone know that it’s the Dems who refuse to negotiate and hold the Dems responsible for the government shutdown. “
Great idea. How?
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considering the fact the Democrats stole last election and maybe the one before it, fighting right now seems the only sensible thing to do
So what is YOUR suggestion?
Spread the word. Obama cedes presidency to Harry Reid.
Another talking point: Obama is afraid of Harry Reid.
The GOP needs to run with these things.
Attach to the CR things Main Street Americans can associate with. Example, Congress and staff cannot be exempt from the law they passed. If they want it changed, it must be voted on and not OPM. Demand POTUS undo all past waivers. If Obamacare is a good program, all those who support it must live by it. This puts the Dems and Obama in a spot, and the move is the openning salvos for the 2014 elections.
Yes, that is a great statement! I wish the Repubs would use it.