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To: Nachum

“The US Constitution: 14th Amendment

Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution - Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection

AMENDMENT XIV of the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

How does he twist this into giving himself the power to raise the debt ceiling? Is he going to declare the Republicans in a state of rebellion?


18 posted on 10/06/2013 6:38:17 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: fella
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

Even if he does declare Tea Party Republicans to be in a state of rebellion, the Congress itself is granted the power to enforce the provisions it contains. So John Boehner would have to be complicit.

22 posted on 10/06/2013 6:43:37 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: fella

How? Easy, he read Section 4, but skipped Section 5.


29 posted on 10/06/2013 7:00:56 PM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: fella
The 14th amendment specifically assigns this power to Congress.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

32 posted on 10/06/2013 7:07:12 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: fella
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Probably there, but the debts would need to be authorized by law, hence the debt ceiling. Maybe zero would argue that there's no need for a ceiling because of this clause of the 14th Amendment.

But section 5 would probably sink him. This power seems one that is delineated to the Congress.

33 posted on 10/06/2013 7:08:16 PM PDT by NYRepublican72
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