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" Just because you bought into the gov’t lies to cover their Unconstitutional Ponzi scheme means nothing. No offense, but your group think is a reason the Conservatives will NEVER shrink gov’t back to A1S8.

I haven't "bought into" anything. For the sake of clarity and consistency, I also believe that every penny of income tax ever collected by the Federal Government is owed back to the citizens who paid it.

Taxation of a man's income is both immoral and and unconstitutional under the "takings" clause.

Yes, I know there is a USSC case Fleming versus Nestor. This was a 5/4 split decision that was dissented to on three separate grounds. If you're going to knuckle under and say that because the Warren Court made a mistake over half a century ago this is "settled law" then you might as well give up on Obamacare and Abortion as well.

The Supreme Court can call white black all day long. That doesn't make it so.

Your reference to Article 1 Section 8 is a worthy goal, bearing in mind that this nation existed until 1913 without any form of tax on income. The income tax code is unconstitutional based on the language of that same article, in which it states "but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" The Income Tax (and its red-headed stepchild the payroll tax) are the very antithesis of uniformity.

I'm not arguing the de facto existence of income and payroll taxes. I'm stating that since their imposition, we have been living in a police state sustained by the immoral confiscation of wealth.

I do want to thank you for you comment however. Your assertion that I was practicing "group think" gave me the best laugh I'm likely to have all week.

(TOL & Sal - Pinged for your entertainment.)

Sorry, but there is no ‘paid back’; there can only be triage to stop the flow TO D.C. We’re already $120T+ in the hole; there’s NO way to get out of that unless we can agree it is GONE and pissed away.

Income tax, aside from your ‘takings’ example (which is correct), also falls to the 13th (slavery). Let alone those that say we no longer have a debtors prison (it’d say ask those in jail per the IRS).

Fleming/Nestor, IMHO, was correct. As Congress has NO authority to distribute income (let alone ‘invest’ for ones’ retirement), SS and the like ARE taxes (just dressed up for selling to The People) and therefor SS can be abolished whenever and what was ‘paid’ does not need to be ‘paid back’.

You are correct there too, We the People are the FINAL arbiters of the Constitution. We gave the gov’t some authority, We say what’s what.

Completely concur re: police state. It’s a damn shame most have no awoken sometime in the last 100+ yrs. to see the same.

Glad to give a laugh. I meant ‘group think’ as those of like minds “Keep your hands off XYZ”.