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1 posted on 10/09/2013 7:18:36 AM PDT by thackney
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So you can go farther with a natural gas tender car. So how much farther than that would a locomotive go with a standard fuel tender car? Libretards don't want overall consideration of their utopian wet dreams they demand some of the most unreasonable dreams. I am surprised they are not demanding solar powered trains.
2 posted on 10/09/2013 7:23:42 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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I like the idea of NG for transportation, but man the potential of the fireballs after a derailing are frightening.


3 posted on 10/09/2013 7:26:22 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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People go nuts for electric cars, I say why aren’t we using more LNG for cars and trucks?

The state of Connecticut routinely buys duel-fuel cars (gas and LNG) but have no refueling station anywhere near where most people use the cars, the capitol.


7 posted on 10/09/2013 7:28:06 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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As long as it's economically sound, does not use taxpayer money or is forced into operation by Federal mandates, I have no problem with LNG trains.

11 posted on 10/09/2013 7:34:33 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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Trains carry a lot of dangerous chemicals safely every day. Is an LNG car likely to increase it’s risk profile significantly?

Trains are a great application for LNG as they have well defined routes and can be refueled at a limited number of specific points.


15 posted on 10/09/2013 7:36:42 AM PDT by posterchild
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I believe it would be possible to convert existing diesel-electric locomotives to burn natural gas. I know that when I was studying mechanical engineering in the 1950s, “dual-fuel” engines in sizes comparable to current locomotive power were used in domestic electric power generation. These were basically similar to diesel, obtaining 95% of their power from natural gas, with fuel ignition provided by a small charge of diesel fuel injected into the cylinder at the start of the power stroke. The LNG, carried in the “fuel tender”, could be vaporized by waste heat from the engine exhaust. This would greatly reduce the cost of new power by saving the existing locomotive engines with fairly simple modifications.


17 posted on 10/09/2013 7:38:37 AM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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The transformation to LNG for transportation is well underway in the marine industry.

The Kenai, AK fertilizer plant has been generating their own electricity with diesel locomotives converted to NG for 40+- years.

26 posted on 10/09/2013 7:49:26 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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This discussion is reminding me more and more of Orwell and 1984 and Atlas Shrugged. It would be more efficient to take the government’s utopian controls off of the American people and let the people run the country according to economic conditions. We have the largest supply of energy in the country so the government stops energy production to bring in Saudi products to finance terrorists and we are financing our own destruction.
37 posted on 10/09/2013 8:05:35 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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Please I wish someone develop a LNG system for home heating. PROPANE is TOO EXPENSIVE.


38 posted on 10/09/2013 8:06:08 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Fuels other than diesel are very problematic. Some years ago they tried locomotives fueled with gasoline. They gave off so much heat they looked like a volcano. I saw a great picture of one that parked under a concrete bridge and melted it.

However, the zinger about diesel engines is that, the hotter they get, the more efficient they get. Diesel semi trucks used to have the problem of “running away”, in which just a tiny amount of residual fuel reacted with extremely hot air resulting in the engine running out of control. It was running almost entirely on heated air.

In turn this points to a possibility for an advanced diesel engine. If the engine is made from advanced ceramics, that can handle much hotter temperatures than steel, and are otherwise harder than steel, you might be able to create a “controlled” run-away engine, vastly more efficient.


43 posted on 10/09/2013 8:23:12 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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All you had to do was mention BNSF, and anything involved is warren buffett trying corner a market, and and using his government pull to destroy any competition. Union Pacific has NG powered locomotive for some time now. The reason for not using LNG for road locomotives is problems with fueling stops. Diesel fuel is stable, easy to transport, has simple storage and handling requirements, and has high energy density. Whenever you hear of an EPA mandate, think of it as simple economic warfare, and the party that buys the most government influence, wins. Buffett’s bnsf just won a huge contract to haul oil from wyoming, and his boy barry played a big part in that by not allowing a certain pipeline to be built.


44 posted on 10/09/2013 8:28:08 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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Over the years there have been many designs and a few prototypes for modern steam powered locomotives. Using clean burning coal to power our locomotives would save a lot of diesel fuel every year. The most powerful reciprocating steam locomotives could make up to 7,500 hp while the steam turbine Jawn Henry put out about 6,000 hp. Today's most powerful diesel electrics make about 5,500 hp by comparison.

Essentially, the development of steam locomotive technology ended in the 1950s. Such an idea may or may not be feasible today but because of the greens no one will ever even consider it.

50 posted on 10/09/2013 8:46:41 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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Would be a BIG boom if it derails :/


59 posted on 10/09/2013 9:46:40 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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