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Why the Shutdown is a Republican Victory
The Daily Beast's Politics Beast ^ | October 14, 2013 | Peter Beinart

Posted on 10/13/2013 9:21:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Secret Agent Man
All I know is in the end our guys are going to blow it. their track record is clear

Again, they got a slow in growth in Gov't, we have our Bush tax cuts now made permanent, we blocked gun control, cap and trade is not in existence, and the Gov't is now shut down just like conservatives have wanted for a long time.

That is all part of the track record. They do NOT fold on everything but cannot get everything we want as we hold only 1/3 of Govt.

21 posted on 10/14/2013 10:34:38 AM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Excellent and sad that conservatives need to be told we’re winning. I expect that 2014 will be very good for conservatives in the Congress. I think we’ll regain the Senate. Then you’ll see a cap gains tax cut in Obama’s last year, just in time for a GOP victory and an growing economy.

That gives us Congress for at least a generation.


22 posted on 10/14/2013 7:32:05 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: what's up

I just love it that you and way too many so called Republicans set our sights so low! Mercy, can’t we just all get along with our Democrat Masters? Disturbing and have little hope for change.


23 posted on 10/15/2013 1:27:40 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: Deagle
Disturbing and have little hope for change.

Change is happening but slowly so many conservatives don't detect it. They want a sudden crash of the system but are unable to say how to do that when we hold only 1/3 of Gov't.

Still not sure why you think the fact that Obama had to agree to slowing of growth and permanence of the Bush tax cuts "sarcasm". He will lose again this week as sequester gets locked in...not something he wanted. He's losing on gun control and will not get an immigration bill either. Plus, he faces months ahead of Obamacare failures.

The MSM of course is making it seem like Obama is winning at every turn to discourage the Tea Party. That's just the Goebbel strategy of telling lies all the time. It just ain't true.

24 posted on 10/15/2013 2:29:38 PM PDT by what's up
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To: 1010RD

>>>Excellent and sad that conservatives need to be told we’re winning. I expect that 2014 will be very good for conservatives in the Congress. I think we’ll regain the Senate. Then you’ll see a cap gains tax cut in Obama’s last year, just in time for a GOP victory and an growing economy.

That gives us Congress for at least a generation.<<<

Karl, is that you? I remember hearing something like that prediction about the prescription drug bennie. Just saying.


25 posted on 10/15/2013 2:32:58 PM PDT by BJ1
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To: what's up

Well, while I tend to agree with you a bit... It is just a bit. What you describe as a slow success is actually a slow decline. No President would be making progress in immigration or gun control because of the public’s response to either. I think you set your sights way too low or maybe you think that a slow movement toward Socialism is better than the quicker movement that this President is making?

As a hard core Tea Party patriot, I see nothing that you are saying is really a benefit but actually just a slowdown in the advancement of the Democrats agenda.

Sometimes that slow method also works against those expecting changes. It does seem to be confusing many into accepting minimal changes to keep from being castrated in the media.


26 posted on 10/15/2013 2:42:12 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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No President would be making progress in immigration or gun control because of the public’s response to either.

I don't think so.

We happen to have a President right now who is an inept, bumbling negotiator. The only tool he uses is to get in front of a camera. Thank God we have an inept socialist rather than a socialist who is smarter, and an experienced negotiator. Then we'd be in real trouble.

I see nothing that you are saying is really a benefit but actually just a slowdown in the advancement of the Democrats agenda.

A slowdown in their agenda is far better than an advancement. The House's job right now is mostly to hold the line and they're doing that. Plus, we had some out and out victories like permanent Bush tax cuts, no cap and trade, and blocking gun control completely.

Progress is slow...but it's there IMO.

27 posted on 10/15/2013 3:23:24 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

A slowdown continues to be a victory for the Democrats! At this rate of slowdown, I’d suggest about 7 years until this slowdown actually becomes a failure of the Republicans and America. You can only lose so much, even a little at a time, until you have to just give up and realize that we have lost! Actually - America has lost!


28 posted on 10/15/2013 4:27:50 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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A slowdown continues to be a victory for the Democrats!

Well, they don't see it that way. Their constituencies are all screaming for new growth so they can have issues to run on. But it's not going to happen. Budget talks going forward are even going to include discussion of Medicare reform.

29 posted on 10/15/2013 4:31:37 PM PDT by what's up
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Nothing like picking at the bits and pieces and ignoring the debt that is destroying the economy. Sorry, I do like your optimism but think that you are wearing rose-colored glasses.


30 posted on 10/15/2013 4:37:28 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: what's up

Oh, and growth has been destroyed by this Democratic government from over-regulation (EPA) to the Presidents adherence to green policies. No growth is going to occur while these policies exist and have much more effect than anything that the Congress can do (and actually pass with the Democrats).


31 posted on 10/15/2013 4:40:30 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: BJ1

Not from me. Be serious. We control 1/3rd of the elected offices at the Federal level and barely. We cannot override a veto. We can’t make the Senate do what is right.

So what can we do? Slow the rate of growth and work to reset the budget. That’s it. Let’s see what they come up with.


32 posted on 10/15/2013 6:17:00 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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>>>Not from me. Be serious. We control 1/3rd of the elected offices at the Federal level and barely. We cannot override a veto. We can’t make the Senate do what is right.

So what can we do? Slow the rate of growth and work to reset the budget. That’s it. Let’s see what they come up with.<<<

I was making a joke that you were Karl Rove...u know he tried to get the seniors to vote for repubs and lock republicans as the majority party for a generation.

Anyways, you sound very sensible. The only problem is that 1) When the democrats have just one party they get more accomplished than we are now. They will Bork conservatives, hold up legislation and generally be a huge PITA.

2) Government always grows. It grows only faster or slower depending on what party is where. Gee, hows that work again? How come divided government gives the libs bigger government over and over again? I say to hell with your logic. No offense intended. It’s just the hell with the same old logic that we need to wait for the next election. I say shut the damn government down and let zero pay what he gets in taxes. End of story. No more new debt. No more printing money. Life will go on relatively unchanged for the vast majority of ppl.


33 posted on 10/16/2013 10:05:28 AM PDT by BJ1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rush discussed this essay.

I think Cruz and Lee did a great Alinsky on Obamacare in the meantime. Obama came off looking mean and vindictive.


34 posted on 10/17/2013 8:41:31 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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DITTO !!!


35 posted on 10/18/2013 5:40:49 AM PDT by celmak
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To: neverdem

It’s about time our side pulled an Alynski!


36 posted on 10/18/2013 2:04:14 PM PDT by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Libs, the 2011 Budget Control Act is the “Law of the Land,” live with it.


37 posted on 10/18/2013 2:14:21 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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