Skip to comments.Surprise: Reid Flatly Rejects Moderate GOP Offer, Dems Plot to "Break" Republicans
Posted on 10/14/2013 4:42:37 PM PDT by Libloather
When the president himself wanted to initiate discussions prior to shutdown, Harry Reid vetoed it, effectively overruling Obama. The Post report also notes that Nancy Pelosi has permitted dozens of House Democrats to vote with the GOP on a litany of common-sense piecemeal bills to restore funding to popular and essential elements of the federal government. She ran the political calculus and allowed certain members to break with the party in order to avoid being targeted with potent attack ads next year. She did so knowing that these fixes would be dead on arrival in the Senate. In short, the consistent theme of these machinations is ruthless partisanship. Democrats want the American people to believe that they're the responsible adults in the room, yet behind the scenes, they've undermined every opportunity for consensus.
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To anyone even remotely paying attention this is no “surprise”.
Republicans are a buncha wusses. They’ll cave. They always have. No wonder Reid thinks along such lines.
“My way or the highway.” Careful what you wish for, Harry.
Actually, this could be really good news. There may be an inkling of a hope that Susan Collins and some of these RINO clowns will wake up and see that they’re trying to deal with snakes and scorpions—and that there is no reason to think Dingy Hairy and Obamugabe will EVER keep any promises they make.
“It is a game”
One that the PC GOP-e do not fathom.
They should’ve stated from the beginning that every time they hear the words no negotiations it would bring about further demands to de-fund other non-essential items such as entitlements and that non-negotiation was not a tactic to bring about consensus (bi-partisan or otherwise).
This was so simple and the effed it up again. They should’ve never stated that they were going to de-fund obamacare - after all, the best way to get a really bad law repealed is to let it go into effect fully.
I could get behind them stating that the ACA is not as it was written at the time of passage and that all waivers and/or subsidies need to be eliminated so that the law is in full effect. That way they wouldn’t be tinkering with it and could remain blameless for all of the bad mojo associated with the PPACA.
Yep, Lobloather, it’s a game. Sadly, the pubbies play it badly.
The pubbies need to stand firm and shout to the rafters every time the dhimmicraps turn down a bill, or offer up a plan that includes ACA, unlimited debt, or eliminating the (0bama) sequester.
They have NO NEED TO CAPITULATE. They do, however, have a serious need to get the message out...loud and long.
Harry Reid doesn’t call the shots. But he does deliver the instructions to Obama from those who do.
Don’t you just love that —Pelosi has permitted some Democrats to vote with the Republicans. I wonder how many of those constitutents realize that the Democrats they sent to Washington do not represent them or their own conscience but what Nancy Pelosi and the Dem leaders demand. This is the Politburo.
A game the Dems can only win with the media’s fervent assistance.
Boehner uses similar methods- vigorously reported by the media.
Harry and Nancy’s shenanigans- vigorously censured from the media.
Most media polls on the shutdown haven’t even offered the response; “blane congressional Democrats” as a choice.
I don’t need to be in the Senate for twenty years to see what the Democrats are, I could see that right from home just by watching CSPAN. What dolts these liberal Republicans are.
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No longer a game in any way, shape or form.
Democrats want their war. Now. Like the muslims, they think they won.
The absurd thing is the Republicans refuse to expose what is going on. They just keep groveling and coming back with counter-offers instead of using this opportunity to educate the people
If it weren’t for ObamaCare, Nancy Pelosi would still be Speaker of the House.
And if ObamaCare isn’t completely repealed, Nancy Pelosi will never be Speaker of the House again.
The Democrats are destroying themselves by refusing to negotiate an end to the monster they’ve created. Nancy and Harry should be in Obama’s office every day, pleading with him to at least delay the personal mandate for a year, so that the registration fiasco that’s been a growing embarrassment for two weeks can end. But they seem too idiotic to even consider such a thing.
The lib Representatives push the blame off to the Senate and the Senate pushes it off to the Representatives. No one gets blamed. They played this game during the amnesty vote and during the Obmacare vote. The Dems always protect the Dems from sensible conservative states and swing states. Hopefully the Republicans while hang tough like they did for Obama care, remember how the Dems had to bribe Mary Landrieu with that huge “Louisiana puchase” and Ben Nelson got the cornhusker kickback?
Splitting the GOP is the goal.
I think the Dems are united because they are a team and they want to take over the WHOLE country. The government is the corporation of the Democrats and they are monopolists, they do not want competition. The pathetic Republicans, on the other hand think in terms only of their own careers and do not think of their party as a team.
I know, I know...sometimes, though, it is easier to see something from a distance than when you’re up close.
But believe me, I totally understand.
I think Republicans need to smart mouth the liberal media right to their faces—embarass them. Nobody likes to be embarassed and the liberal media sure take fiendish delight in putting Republicans on the spot. Republicans should put them on the spot and they will start to cave.
At least two well-regarded polls in the past week indicate that Republicans are bearing the brunt of the public backlash over the government shutdown
What he doesn't tell us about the polls is that the Dems are blamed nearly as much as the GOP which is unprecedented for these deals. Usually people blame the GOP far, far more than the Dems. The MSM propaganda isn't working so well this time in protecting the left.
Pelosi, whose skills at counting and marshaling votes are widely regarded as unparalleled in the modern era
Oh, puleeze. This is another giveaway that the Post is doing all they can to pump the Dems in this article. Transparent brown-nosing not based on anything like reality.
Then Reid rejects his own deal, and blames the Republicans.
And the Propaganda Wing of the White House (formerly known as the American News Media) calls Republicans names and says they are uncompromising.
Is that about right?
After listening to the “news” this morning, I thought the Kenyan sent his boy, Rimshot Joe, in to negotiate one of his “BIG ****ing deal” specialties with the GOOBs.
Yes, it is. And there are losers. I am one of them. Tomorrow I will burn the last of my vacation. Over $2,000 worth of leave....poof, gone.
After that, I start losing pay directly.
And since I am a contractor, I won’t get re-imbursed.
The media get 10 cents in advertising revenue for every dollar the Democrats give “the needy” for consumer spending, for every dollar the Democrats take from investors and give to consumers.
They’ll never cut their advertising revenue just to avoid being embarassed and their prime advertising demographics- that they sell to their advertisers- wouldn’t see them as being embarassed anyway.
They’ll always shill for the Dems until redistribution destroys the economy. But that won’t happen ‘this’ quarter.
The timidity of the GOP is just stunning. The minute the Dems double crossed the GOP leadership they should have put obamacare back on the table. Starting with the Congressional exemption.
Would somebody PLEASE give the GOP a quick course in public relations?
Even a first-year PR student knows you need to GET YOUR MESSAGE OUT for anything good to happen. And when you’re dealing with low-information voters who get all their news from MSM sources, you’ve really got to crank up the volume to get through the noise!
The Republican message can’t be heard. Why not?
Susan Collins, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Pete King, etc ARE snakes, scorpions and Collaborators. But, you are right, they may wake up and realize it’s time to be tough with THEIR FRIENDS.
I am rooting for Obana and the Dems... The destruction of the republican party is necessary to enable the rise of the American freedom party.
The Mighty Democrat Senator “No Debate” Reid has spoken though his use of raw Park Police Power by an incompetent, spendaholic, Democrat Administration: Release the floodgates of continuous increased Federal Spending or we will lower the BARRYCADE IRON CURTAIN until you cave in.
In this way Reid and Obama have defined for America what continued control of the US Senate and the Administration will be like in the future.
Each section of the BARRYCADE IRON CURTAIN is a visual testament to the abject failure of the Obama-Reid Adminstration and Senate.
There should be no doubt, except for the true believers in the Liberal “Mainstream” Media, that Democrats do not have the ability to operate, oversee, or manage a Government “- - - of the people, for the people, and by the people.”
Senator Reid has failed to produce a Federal Budget for five disgraceful years in a row. He thus in the most incompetent Majority Leader of the US Senate, ever.
The simple fact that Senate Democrats have chosen to keep Senator Reid as their Majority Leader can only be interpreted that the majority of US Senate Democrats do not have the ability to operate, oversee, or manage the US Federal Government.
Mr. Speaker, adjourn the House.
I’m on Leave Without Pay as of today. I’m gearing up for a job search starting Oct 17, and I am so well-regarded, I should have several offers by Oct 27. Unless my contracting company does something good for me, I’m outta here.
We have tons of work to do. Swamped. But NASA just shut the doors and said “go home”.
I pity you.
I agree...let it go into effect. The Republicans can show they tried everything to get it stopped, and then when the people feel the pain from the prices and deductibles, they can say, hey, we tried but everyone demonized us. Even the O voters will feel some pain in this, when all they’ve had to do in the past was go to the ER. I think this will be the best thing that can happen, is let it go into effect...there’s going to be some pi$$ed off people...
At least you are honest.
The GOP ought to make a formal address to the nation regarding the all-pervasive propagandizing for the Democrats that we see from the national media. This is a major issue that took on a whole new dimension of election-altering menace in 2008 with the anti-Palin and pro-Obama hysterics. We are like a banana republic in so many ways now.
Well, there is a lot of talk about changing the mandatory minimum sentencing that came about due to the WOD, so at least there is headway being made on that stupid law - some more reasonable discussion is being had about that.
Can I point to something other than prohibition directly? Not off the top of my head, but I am sure there are some good examples - perhaps the stamp act...
I’ll see what I can muster, but the person who first said what I echoed originally about getting a bad law repealed by fully implementing it was pretty erudite to begin with. It’s too bad he’s not alive to instruct us today! His quote was “The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly”. - Abraham Lincoln
The Assault Weapons ban. Not technically a repeal, but effectively one.
Much appreciated on the assist there. There have been others, I know there have, I just don’t have an encyclopedic memory for this specific task :)
It's almost like they're (Pubbies) in on the same pay outs/kickbacks that the libs are in on....hmmmm. And, they're too busy bashing folks like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee to expose the dirty tricks of the Rats!
There are several Jim Crow laws that come to mind also...
Thanks for your replies. In the case of Jim Crow, I just can’t wait 80 years. In general, I would prefer a state solution to a state bad law, as opposed to a SCOTUS decision and some Fed laws voted by everybody but the offending states (natch).
An example of VERY bad law being chipped at is in the aftermath of SCOTUS’ Roe v. Wade. It is always two steps forward, one back, while the termites go around making more bad laws (nurse abortionists in CA).
If we assume that abortion restrictions would have been relaxed in about half of the country, I think that the fight against would not have been intense, but would be more successful.
I do admit that the Brady Law galvanized gun support.
I can also think of many laws that were awful, that are as string as ever. Medicare/Medicaid exactly coincides with the continuing rise in health care costs, and is certainly a component of it. Nonetheless, it remains sacred, with one of out own, George the Elder, adding scrips to the pile.
If this is a Prohibition type bad law (because of its breadth, and direct effect on so many people’s day to day lives), and is repealed, great. I just would not bank on it.
While I agree wholeheartedly with your overarching complaints, the problem with all of the laws we have on the books is specifically none of them are being strictly applied.
If all laws were applied as written and no exemptions or carve outs given and were not applied based on the whims of whoever is in charge, then I think a lot more laws would be repealed.
“I pity you.”
no need to pity me its the country that needs your pity as it suffers from the subservient morons, and Vichy republicans that now are in the majority...