[SteveH]

what proposal are these people talking about specifically?

all i hear so far are platitudes. it sounds like a lot of self preserving pablum

[dfwgator]

it sounds like a lot of self preserving pablum

That's what politicians do, all of them.

[SteveH]

sen collins addressing senate now, lauding
plan developed by 14 senators to avoid default
and submitted to reid and mcconnell, and addressing
the 17 trillion debt. the final plan evidently
will incorporate elements of the 14 senator plan
(what does that mean????)