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Navy's largest destroyer going into water in Maine
ABC News ^ | 10/20/2013 | Associated Press

Posted on 10/20/2013 7:09:59 PM PDT by Chode

BATH, ME -- After embarrassing troubles with its latest class of surface warships, the Navy is hoping for a winner from a new destroyer that's ready to go into the water. So far, construction of the first-in-class Zumwalt, the largest U.S. Navy destroyer ever built, is on time and on budget, something that's a rarity in new defense programs, officials said. And the Navy believes the ship's big gun, stealthy silhouette and advance features will make it a formidable package.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: battleship; usnavy; zumwalt
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put off from last week due to the shutdown
1 posted on 10/20/2013 7:09:59 PM PDT by Chode
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To: Chode

Do I understand correctly that they don’t have cruisers of any kind anymore?


2 posted on 10/20/2013 7:12:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Obama's favorite game is Pin the Fail on the Honkey!)
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To: Chode
Ah Yes the Zummwalt Destroyers.

The Ospreys of the United States Navy.

Expensive, Vulnerable and Useless.

3 posted on 10/20/2013 7:14:29 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Chode

How did all the other ships in the Navy stay afloat with the gov’t being shut down?


4 posted on 10/20/2013 7:19:46 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: KC_Lion

There is a new tiltrotor out there now. Bigger, I think.

http://www.avionics-intelligence.com/articles/2013/10/ge-bell-valor.html


5 posted on 10/20/2013 7:21:07 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: KC_Lion
At the rate of decline of the military ,
PT-109 will be one of the 'Heavy Crusers' of the modern Navy.
6 posted on 10/20/2013 7:21:21 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
i believe the US Navy still has 22 Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruisers still on the books
7 posted on 10/20/2013 7:21:40 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe your are correct. Cruiser were just small battleships and just as unnecessary for modern warfare.


8 posted on 10/20/2013 7:22:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Chode

On time and under budget-pretty standard for Bath Ironworks.

The union/management apprentice training programs are very effective in training new skilled workers. Some of the apprentices can even earn an AA degree from a college in Maine.


9 posted on 10/20/2013 7:22:28 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Delta 21
with Navy Can-Do attitude...
10 posted on 10/20/2013 7:22:44 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: KC_Lion

The Navy bought the Osprey for the Marine Corp, too.


11 posted on 10/20/2013 7:24:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Chode

aka, the Super Monitor.


12 posted on 10/20/2013 7:24:36 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: Chode

I was on the USS Jonas Ingram. This ship is nearly 200 feel longer and nearly twice as wide. It isn’t a destroyer. It’s a cruiser. It’s approaching the size of WWII carriers.


13 posted on 10/20/2013 7:25:34 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Chode

The Ticonderoga-class of guided-missile cruisers is a class of warships in the United States Navy, first ordered and authorized in the 1978 fiscal year. The class uses phased-array radar and was originally planned as a class of destroyers. However, the increased combat capability offered by the Aegis combat system and the AN/SPY-1 radar system was used to justify the change of the classification from DDG (guided missile destroyer) to CG (guided-missile cruiser) shortly before the keels were laid down for the Ticonderoga and the Yorktown.

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Possible early retirement

Due to Budget Control Act of 2011 requirements to cut the Defense Budget for FY2013 and subsequent years, plans are being considered to decommission some of the Ticonderoga-class cruisers.[8] For the U.S. Defense 2013 Budget Proposal, the U.S. Navy is to decommission seven cruisers early in fiscal years 2013 and 2014.[9]

Because of these retirements, the U.S. Navy is expected to fall short of its requirement for 94 missile defense cruisers and destroyers beginning in FY 2025 and continuing past the end of the 30-year planning period....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticonderoga-class_cruiser


14 posted on 10/20/2013 7:25:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Obama's favorite game is Pin the Fail on the Honkey!)
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To: Maine Mariner
sometimes history and tradition do count for something...
15 posted on 10/20/2013 7:28:03 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

It’s a heavy cruiser in all but name.


16 posted on 10/20/2013 7:28:11 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Chode

This littoral ship will probably be used against citizens attempting to smuggle their money out of the country by boat. Off shore bombardment of port cities in response to civil unrest is a potential use. Smuggling in Al Qaeda agents into the US is another possibility.


17 posted on 10/20/2013 7:28:14 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Hardraade; KC_Lion

Did you see this at that site?

Enabling technologies: An open-source, two-seat aircraft
http://www.avionics-intelligence.com/articles/slideshow/2013/07/enabling-technologies-an-open-source-two-seat-aircraft.html


18 posted on 10/20/2013 7:28:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Obama's favorite game is Pin the Fail on the Honkey!)
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To: Chode

They should name it the “USS Obama”
(Americas Greatest Destroyer)


19 posted on 10/20/2013 7:29:00 PM PDT by StraightDave (.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Cruisers and the new Zumwalt class DDG are not built for surface ship to surface ship warfare, although they are certainly capable of defeating virtually any surface ship in that kind of engagement. They are built for sea control, anti-air, and anti submarine warfare. And their prime reason for existing is protection and support or carrier battlegroups.


20 posted on 10/20/2013 7:29:03 PM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
you can see the lineage
21 posted on 10/20/2013 7:30:36 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kip Russell
pretty much...
22 posted on 10/20/2013 7:32:09 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: rlmorel
she's no carrier, but a ping anyway...
23 posted on 10/20/2013 7:34:14 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Does it fly the fagflag?


24 posted on 10/20/2013 7:34:24 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: Chode

With this thing’s displacement greater than many heavy cruisers, imagine what a modern nuclear battleship would be like? Firing rail guns to accurately nail targets at 115 miles away. Using particle beams to burn anything out of the sky that comes within their range. Probably some equally devastating anti-submarine weaponry.


25 posted on 10/20/2013 7:35:20 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: stevem
like Kip said, "It’s a heavy cruiser in all but name."
26 posted on 10/20/2013 7:36:13 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: grumpygresh

Yea well, what will they do when aliens come to save us, huh?


27 posted on 10/20/2013 7:40:18 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
like maybe directed ultrasonic or directed current anti-torpedo capability or lasers color tuned for underwater work - things i have thought about now and again...
28 posted on 10/20/2013 7:42:07 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Would probably not be as expensive as one of the old ones. Wouldn’t need the heavy armor, and not a gazillon tons of ammo. Just pure firepower.


29 posted on 10/20/2013 7:42:15 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Cruiser Command.. when you can billet an officer to command a Carrier but want them to advance higher than a DDG. You are probably done advancing when you are assigned command of a cruiser.


30 posted on 10/20/2013 7:50:03 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dem's do & voted!)
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To: Chode

Will the news cameras be there?

If so, Angus King will throw himself in front of one.


31 posted on 10/20/2013 7:51:40 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: KC_Lion

Just like our nation under Zero.


32 posted on 10/20/2013 7:55:54 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: grumpygresh

No need to smuggle Al Qaeda goons. Bammy will fly them in and throw a party at the airport VIP lounge.


33 posted on 10/20/2013 8:07:00 PM PDT by 867V309 (Obama- he's just crazy enough to do it.)
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To: Chode

USS Zumwalt

34 posted on 10/20/2013 8:07:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: Chode

If it’s that large, it’s not a destroyer. A true destroyer is known by one name only, “tin can”. Destroyers are called “tin cans” for a reason. “Tin can sailors” are proud of their service on destroyers for a reason.

“A destroyer doesn’t roll, it snaps.”

If it’s longer than 170 ft, it’s something other than a destroyer. For over a century, a destroyer’s mission is to carry torpedoes & protect the fleet from enemy submarines.

What’s not to understand?


35 posted on 10/20/2013 8:09:07 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: blam
thankx...
36 posted on 10/20/2013 8:10:13 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: elcid1970
i know what you mean, but it's what the USN calls, so... there we are
37 posted on 10/20/2013 8:13:32 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: clintonh8r

The skipper is a Rear Admiral. He wears hot pants.


38 posted on 10/20/2013 8:16:43 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: elcid1970; Chode
If it’s longer than 170 ft, it’s something other than a destroyer.

Excuse me! I'm a “tin can sailor”, spending two years aboard the USS Perkins (DD 877), 1966-68. The Perkins was 391 feet long. It was a World War II vintage ship upgraded to Fram 2 configuration with a DASH helicopter aboard.

My ship went through a typhoon in company with the USS Coral Sea, and believe me we were rocking and rolling and rolling and rolling…


39 posted on 10/20/2013 8:19:40 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker
with twin forward mounts even...

yup, all USN ships have grown over time regardless of the nomenclature

40 posted on 10/20/2013 8:24:07 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: elcid1970

I thought antisub warfare was the job of the frigates...

Either way... ALL the ships i the carrier task force main job is to take a missle or torpedo before the carrier does...


41 posted on 10/20/2013 8:29:01 PM PDT by myself6
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To: WVKayaker

Ahh..fram cann....I was on an Adams class.....USS Barney DDG -6


42 posted on 10/20/2013 8:31:22 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (It is going to be Foot to Ass combat on election day....my foot and a Rat's ass.)
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To: grumpygresh

Good to know there is another “suspicious” grumpy out there. I think the same thing of most new weapon systems and their non Christian operators.


43 posted on 10/20/2013 8:41:00 PM PDT by mcshot (The takers exceed the makers and we're going down.)
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To: WVKayaker

Heh, heh, my total Navy experience was landing my Army UH-1H on a Navy floating barge at 0500 in the dark at a place called Nha Be in the Mekong Delta in December 1971. Boy did the Navy have some great chow!

I’m only recollecting what WWII Navy vets told me about their experiences on destroyers; there were lots of them still serving in Vietnam then. I especially liked the stories about crossing the equator where pollywogs became Shellbacks or crossing the Arctic Circle where bluenoses became Polar Bears. The rituals they described were verrrry interesting!


44 posted on 10/20/2013 8:42:00 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: KC_Lion

The rail guns should be awesome when they are ready


45 posted on 10/20/2013 8:49:11 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: WVKayaker

Roger that. Hyman DD732, Waldron DD-699, English DD-696. Before that in ‘67 Lester DE-1022. Less than a tin can. LOL!
Read that the #2 Zumwalt class will be the USS Michael Monsoor (MOH receipient) and #3 USS lbj. WTF? That’s pretty disgraceful.


46 posted on 10/20/2013 9:17:50 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Chode

So, for almost 2x the cost of a Virginia-class boat, can anyone tell me what this monstrosity can do that a sub CAN’T (besides the stupid f’in gun)??? Besides having the armament of 2+ of the latter (and almost 1/3 more crew)?

“Shore bombardment”? Are you f’in kidding me??? The US Navy’s killing the US Navy. We don’t need no enemy...


47 posted on 10/20/2013 9:24:36 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

And amidships, a 50+ cell VLS battery - for those over-the-horizon satellite and ballistic missile kills plus targets beyond rail gun range.


48 posted on 10/20/2013 10:16:34 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: grumpygresh

Probably not, as you describe an honest to God civil war, opposition will not nearly organized enough or large enough to be considered a real civil war.


49 posted on 10/20/2013 10:18:24 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: logi_cal869

The Zumwalt class is made to support Marine landings with gunfire (artillery support). Subs can’t do that; the ‘stupid gun’ even lets them double the amount of rounds they can fire in support of the Marines. Also, subs can’t do airspace control (they just can’t mount the radar arrays) nor can they kill seaskimming missiles or aircraft screaming in on a battlegroup.


50 posted on 10/20/2013 10:23:05 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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