You aren't kidding!
Check out the "options" we are invited to select from, in this Gannett publication (the Daily Record of Morris County, NJ):
Posted on 10/21/2013 2:30:57 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on Monday withdrew legal opposition to gay marriage, making same-sex nuptials the law in the state.
The move makes New Jersey the 14th state in the nation to legalize gay marriage.
On Friday, the state Supreme Court refused to delay a lower-court order for the state to begin recognizing same-sex marriages. On Monday morning, Christie said in a statement that he ordered an appeal dropped.
"Chief Justice Rabner left no ambiguity about the unanimous court's view on the ultimate decision in this matter when he wrote, 'same-sex couples who cannot marry are not treated equally under the law today," Christie said.
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That's why I say this vote is against the people's will. Yes, they voted these legislators into office...but on other issues.
As far as IL goes, they tried to pass it and 20 black legislators blocked it. They're still trying but opposition is pretty fierce.
We'll see what happens. My feeling is that they've pretty much captured the far-left states. Now I think they will lose momentum.
The legislature isn't, but PA doesn't have a constitutional ban and their Supreme Court is likely to soon strike down their statutory ban.
And (1) given how fast popular opinion is shifting on the issue, and (2) the fact that they can fail a thousand times but only have to succeed once, do you really think that Illinois isn't going to pass it? I agree with your larger point, that the low hanging fruit is largely gone, but there are still plenty of battle grounds ahead -- Oregon definitely in the near term, and in the not-too-distant term probably Colorado, Wisconsin and Nevada.
Well...one can hope.
The black pastors are mounting a campaign to stop it as is the Catholic church.
You mention public opinion, but I think much of that gay support is weak. The activists are few in number...they are just extremely vocal as communists always are. I've been thinking of the likelihood that at some point there will be one big gay scandal that the media can't ignore and the issue will begin to lose steam.
I think that’s wishful thinking there, my FRiend.
We failed to make a good case to the general public, and now public opinion is rocketing away from us. We won California once, then again but barely, and now there’s no change at all Prop 8 would pass.
We’re losing all but a couple areas of the country. There will be some regions where gay marriage remains below 50%, and where it remains illegal, but I can’t see those being any substantial percentage of the country.
I think in retrospect we’ll look at 2012 as the tipping point, when we started losing elections on this issue. We used to be able to comfort ourselves with the notion that no state had ever voted for it, but that cold comfort is dead now.
Time to pick some fights we can win, like securing religious exemptions written into law. We can’t hold back the tide, but that doesn’t mean we need lash ourselves to the ocean floor.
Again...I don't believe opinion is "rocketing".
With the economy as it is, unemployment high and health care now dominating the headlines I really think the public support for gay marriage is tepid though the MSM as usual would try make us think differently.
You’re entitled to that opinion, but I don’t see any evidence to support it. And all the polls are moving in the wrong direction - we ought to have learned by now that we ignore those at our peril.
Most people are just following the crowd; if the crowd starts to go the other way they will too. The fact that the courts have to be used to put gay marriage into effect is more proof that the public is not leading the charge.
No it's not. The only reason those states voted for it is because the Dems pulled out every stop, and the false flag Romney Republicans simply didn't raise a stinking finger to stop them.
Time to pick some fights we can win, like securing religious exemptions written into law. We can’t hold back the tide, but that doesn’t mean we need lash ourselves to the ocean floor.
Religious exemptions suck. We're supposed to live in a free republic in which the equal protection of the laws is accorded to all.
One last thing: Whether imposed by judicial oligarchs, or stupid legislators, or even imposed by a democratic majority, the laws of nature and of nature's God are supreme. Any human laws contrary to them are null and void, according to men like Cicero, and Aquinas, and Blackstone, and Hamilton.
You aren't kidding!
Check out the "options" we are invited to select from, in this Gannett publication (the Daily Record of Morris County, NJ):
“Most people are just following the crowd; if the crowd starts to go the other way they will too. The fact that the courts have to be used to put gay marriage into effect is more proof that the public is not leading the charge.”
Would be nice if it’s true, but it’s largely not. Courts are the fastest way to advance their agenda, but they’re doing better and better with legislatures and public votes in most states.
Just wait - the Hawaii legislature will vote it into law within the next couple weeks. The public voted it down twenty years ago, but now the people’s representatives are happy enacting it themselves, without blowback. That’s how much public opinion has changed since those days.
No...most states are still opposed to gay marriage.
And...yes...my point is accurate that people all too often follow the polls. The concept of the "sheeple" is accurate. They dumbly follow whatever is the fad du jour.
Apathy is the problem more than people believing strongly in gay marriage.
You may be right about HI. But it's no surprise that all far left states would go this way; I'm actually surprised HI took this long. Once all the far left states are in their column (and there's not many to go) I think the momentum fades.
Well, we’ll have to see, FRiend. I’d rather plan a strategy in case the momentum keeps right on going than just assume it’ll magically stop.
No, it won't be magic.
People in moderate and conservative states have been employing strategies all along to block the activists and many of them are working; we just don't hear about it much from the MSM.
Over time the juggernaut will weaken when all the leftist states are in their column. It's no surprise that they had their victories in mostly blue states. At that point it will be a wall of moderate/conservative states and then it's uphill for them..
Have a good nite.
He also put a Moslem on the bench as well. Mr. Tolerance.
That is a brilliant question. I hope someone in the audience asks that question to any wavering RINO. The libs always ask questions about abortion or creationism to get the conservatives in trouble but why don’t we ask some tough questions to the liberals and RINOS.
Why should those brothers or sisters be denied all the hundreds of laws that protect heterosexual married couples who are not siblings? Is this fair? And why? Does it effect your marriage? Shouldn’t one of the sibling partners be able to get health insurance under the other one’s policy? Shouldn’t one partner be able to collect social security retirement under the other’s name when the first one dies? And why shouldn’t two brothers be able to adopt children? If they love children, why shouldn’t they be able to adopt a child? Why shouldn’t the children be able to go to school and share their family experiences on show and tell: “I have two dadies and they are brothers.” Why can’t a brother/husband or sister/wife not teach our children in the schools and why shouldn’t they be able to share their warm and loving family life with the children in the classroom? What do we have to lose but our outworn old prejudices? Hmmm?
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