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Army chief: Just 2 brigades combat-ready (From my in-box)
Fox News.com ^ | October 23, 2013

Posted on 10/23/2013 5:45:00 AM PDT by Kaslin

Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno revealed this week that just two Army brigades are combat-ready, with budget cuts hampering the military's ability to train its own troops.

The startling comments were made Monday at the Association of the U.S. Army conference. Odierno and Army Secretary John McHugh both addressed the fallout from the budget cuts, as well as the recent partial government shutdown, and appealed to lawmakers to restore some stability to military funding.

"Functioning like this is just dysfunctional," Odierno said.

He said that after the sequester kicked in, "we had to stop training basically" in the last six months of the year. He said the recently passed stopgap funding bill has further reduced the Army's ability to train, and warned that the recurring budget battles in Washington could have serious consequences for America's fighting force.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 2brigades; army; illprepared; notzerosarmy

1 posted on 10/23/2013 5:45:00 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

It’s all a part of the plan...

What was that book Oliver North put out last year...”Heroes Proved”???

Kinda talks about this...


2 posted on 10/23/2013 5:48:35 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Kaslin

Lord protect us from evil; in Jesus’ name.

No, not the general.


3 posted on 10/23/2013 5:48:44 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (“Life is hard, but it’s harder when you’re stupid.” John Wayne)
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To: Kaslin

Stupid craven Republicans stepped right into it.


4 posted on 10/23/2013 5:49:06 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Kaslin

Obama’s primary job is to protect this country.

He has failed.


5 posted on 10/23/2013 5:59:42 AM PDT by moovova
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To: stevie_d_64

Odierno is talking about some boxes on a standard checklist for determining the combat readiness for our troops. Since troops engaged in battle cannot fulfill those checklists, we’d have every army ever fielded call not combat-ready.

However, we’re not fighting a high or medium intensity conflict. We’re not having to prove our capabilities against NBC attacks or air attacks.

What we have is a force that is extremely highly trained to fight in an Afghan like environment.

Odierno is crying over money. And if we had a heavy war start against an opponent who could go equally as heavy, then we’re in trouble because our force size is so small. In any high intensity war with any real opponent, we’d always have to rely on our opponent remembering our nuke capabilities.


6 posted on 10/23/2013 6:02:25 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin

even with the sequester and shut down, there is no excuse for the diminishing of combat units. It is a matter of priorities. Cut from the non-essentials. Cut the bloat in the bureaucracy - it is loaded with rot - you know it and we know it - do not cut from the uniformed military and it’s means for readiness.

As an example - in every office in the Pentagon, as well as next tier headquarter palaces; if there are four civilians in an office, cut one and you will find the three doing the same job with greater efficiency. Every mid-manager tries to build an empire, which CEO’s must recognize and halt. They must learn to operate lean and mean!! That was the American way prior to the modern age.


7 posted on 10/23/2013 6:08:47 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: moovova
His purpose is not to protect great country. His only purpose is to destroy this great country and he is well on his way to do so.
8 posted on 10/23/2013 6:15:12 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Stage one in budget talks. We need the money, but how about fixing your priorities? The US military is top heavy and bureaucratic. Send in some lean consultants, take a look at the Israelis and keep cutting the budget.


9 posted on 10/23/2013 6:15:29 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: elpadre
Agree with your assessment.

Seems to me that all but two brigade commanders are making excuses for not doing their jobs.

I was an ADA Platoon Leader during the Carter Administration. We weren't given a pass on readiness when training funds weren't there. We were told to figure something out.

It was easy to stay motivated, knowing 50+ Soviet divisions were a couple hundred miles from you.

10 posted on 10/23/2013 6:18:10 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Kaslin

Obama is shifting to a military able to shoot
US veterans and US citizens and which long ago forgot
911 and the attack on the Pentagon as it
armed al Qaeda for the undocumented Dear Leader.


11 posted on 10/23/2013 6:20:55 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: 1010RD
The US military is top heavy and bureaucratic. Send in some lean consultants, take a look at the Israelis and keep cutting the budget.

No consultants! Consultants merely build their own empires to justify and expand their own contracts. Cut all funds by 25% immediately and let the services figure out how to make their own adjustments. Introduce legislation to reduce the number of general/flag officer billets by 25%. This is what the real world does. The same cuts should apply to the entire federal government.

Like all aspects of government, the Department of Defense is awash in money and has grown accustomed to getting everything it has ever wanted, far beyond its actual needs. End these ruinous, perpetual colonial wars are return to the essential mission of national defense and trade-protecting naval projection. If we want to do the right thing for our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines, stop wasting their lives for nothing and preserve a free and solvent nation for them to protect and return to live in.

12 posted on 10/23/2013 6:35:16 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

I read a thread yesterday that the DOD is leaving several billion dollars of equipment in Afghanistan...just leaving it. Why don’t they open a bazaar and at least sell it. No money...Meh!


13 posted on 10/23/2013 6:39:48 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Kaslin

Fine with hussein.


14 posted on 10/23/2013 7:03:30 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Kaslin

Obvious politically motivated declaration.

What other purpose does this serve, to let our enemies our strength?


15 posted on 10/23/2013 7:06:30 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Always A Marine

OK, that works for me. How do we get it passed?


16 posted on 10/23/2013 7:18:07 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Kaslin

This means nothing.

The two brigades are on active duty in Afghanistan, which means they do not have to complete their monthly training requirement to maintain their “combat readiness” status.

All of the other units in the Army, unless they complete their mandatory training *each and every month*, have their readiness status downgraded, no matter how good their status is otherwise. It is automatic.

A good example of how dumb this can be was of a unit in Germany, which had top marks in all areas, including training, but was authorized specialized communications equipment that it did not have, and would not be issued, unless war was imminent. The equipment was physically in the United States. So no matter how good they were, they were always given a “2” rating, below combat status.

The irony of this was that if war was imminent, and that equipment was shipped to them (unlikely), that nobody in the unit knew how to use it, and would need schooling for weeks to do so. This is not a luxury you would have if war was imminent. So basically, this equipment was less than useless. They not only couldn’t use it, wouldn’t use it, but because it was on the books for them, crippled their status.

Bottom line: This General is pushing male cow patties.


17 posted on 10/23/2013 7:20:40 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: Kaslin

What really matters is that now we have openly gay soldiers and combat readiness is not a priority.


18 posted on 10/23/2013 7:44:49 AM PDT by mandaladon (The truth about Benghazi is all I want)
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To: mandaladon

That’s about it


19 posted on 10/23/2013 7:50:00 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Odierno’s job is to advocate for the Army. Standing up to say this under the Obama administration takes guts. I’ll start listening to someone talk about cutting the Defense budget after the government collects all those $50,000 checks back from the make-believe pig farmers. The military at least helps produce good citizens. What does paying people to lie about raising pigs produce? And look at Social Security Disability and Food Stamps. Nope, Slick Willy got his peace dividend and used it to buy votes. Did anyone’s taxes go down in the 1990s? Nope. Cut the military and use the money to buy votes. That’s the Democrat party way. Screw them. Cut SSDI and Food Stamps and give the taxpayers a break!


20 posted on 10/23/2013 8:31:16 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Perhaps Odierno would have more credibility on the subject of readiness if he and the other branch chiefs would stop pushing social engineering agendas.

If Odierno is such the bastion of moral courage over readiness, he should resign in protest, disclaiming his support for women to serve in infantry units and participating in Ranger training.

If Odierno is so passionate concerning readiness then he should shout from the rooftops that sequestration is the spawn of Obama and his treasury secretary designed as a political wedge to wage class warfare, not to bring about cost efficiencies in the DoD.

If only...

21 posted on 10/23/2013 8:43:57 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: moovova

“...Obama’s primary job is to protect this country.
He has failed....”

Depends on how you look at it.

As a President, yes. As an American, yes.

But as the radical socialist sock puppet that he is, as “The One” that Dems have been having wet dreams over for decades, he’s been a smashing success.


22 posted on 10/23/2013 8:54:30 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Night Hides Not

i was a tank platoon leader and mortar platoon leader in BRD in 1975-78. we would do dry fire exercises in the motor pool, use board wargames and miniature terrain tables and field phones to practice fo and fdc procedures, etc. if the majority of the bde combat troops are grunts they can do almost everything walking w/o using fuel, vehicles, MILES gear or even ammo or blanks.

wonder what the combat ready criteria is? my csc cdr got annoyed when i left a gun track in the motor pool during a rollout. “why is it there?” “it’s esc red” “why?” “missing rubber on over half of 2 road wheels” “can it drive? can it shoot?” “yes” “you made your point. GO GET IT!”


23 posted on 10/23/2013 10:15:08 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: Kaslin

Revealing America’s military weaknesses is a MAJOR security violation and Odierno is a DUMBAZZ for revealing this and should be IMMEDIATELY removed from his post. IDIOT.


24 posted on 10/23/2013 11:20:39 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

You think the world does not know this? You sure are naive. that arrogant pos occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave has made this great country into a laughingstock


25 posted on 10/23/2013 12:00:30 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: stevie_d_64
Yes, but it came out in September of this year

Oliver North Heroes Proved

26 posted on 10/23/2013 12:07:32 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: bravo whiskey
I was a PITA as a system maint officer at my battery. Within 30 days of being moved into the position, I had a 4 page deadline report - 1978, no $$$ for repair parts.

I remember trying to encapsulize what was wrong with one of our jeeps. It had so many things wrong with it, in frustration I entered an acronym that got me in a lot of hot water at Battalion, especially after they figured it out: MFB.

Mother F---er's Broke.

Oh, how I remember the good old days! lol

We were able to do a lot of drills without leaving the tac park, such as missile reloading drills on the Chaparrals, aircraft recognition, to name just two. I had a Vulcan platoon with 3 acting jack squad leaders, so constant training was a must.

27 posted on 10/23/2013 12:11:53 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Kaslin

Ohhh, muh bad...I just got through reading it on my Kindle Fiyahhh...

I thought it was pretty good...Kind of a mix between Tom Clancey and Matt Bracken, with a little Dale Brown mixed in for the techy stuff...


28 posted on 10/23/2013 2:17:31 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: xzins

No combat ready unit ever passed inspection.

No inspection ready unit ever passed combat.

The purpose of the standing army is to not lose the war before the militia can be mobilized to win it.


29 posted on 10/23/2013 5:54:18 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Vulcans were mondo cool. Our Infantry battalion ‘accidentally’ got some of the flotation panels for the sides of a Vulcan. We fixed them to our scout platoon M-113s so they could scout better across rivers and lakes.


30 posted on 10/23/2013 5:57:18 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: bravo whiskey

I was a mech. infantry platoon leader from 77 to 80, in 3rd Armored Division. Much the same story from here. Our 81mm platoon got tapped to shoot illum for the tankers night gunnery course, but got no illum to support night fire for the Infantry.


31 posted on 10/23/2013 5:59:38 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be repeated.)
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To: bravo whiskey
Carter's Military. Yep, those were the days...

Signing for M16 firing pins to go to the range to qualify.

Training/qualifying with sub cal ammo (.22) for the 81mm mortars and 90mm recoiless.

"Controlled Cannibalization" for vehicle parts was the norm.

Counting expendable items, sheets and pillow cases for change of command inventories.

Etc....

Somehow, we always managed to be combat ready by USR standards.

32 posted on 10/23/2013 6:14:35 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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