Posted on 10/24/2013 1:30:22 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
My son and daughter in law have enrolled in one of these plans with a pediatrician for their daughters care. Very pleased, they are. Some day, the HHS swat team will appear and cart her away.
Following the Oklahoma Surgical Center model.
You go there, you get surgical procedures for roughly 1/5th of the cost of a stay in a hospital. Cash only. They do not take insurance.
1/5th the cost. Now think...what’s medicare’s co-pay for surgery? It’s 20%. Or 1/5th. So the question is, what do you get for Medicare?
And the answer is: Nothing.
It’s nothing but an enormous scam designed to enrich insurance companies. And I am not down on insurance companies: There is absolutely a need for people to buy insurance of some sort to cover catastrophic occurrences. That’s what insurance should be. People rail about the “military industrial complex”. The medical-industrial complex is vastly larger.
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Doing genealogy I encountered Doc Bassinger of Brown County Ohio in record after record, and in story after story from my Dad. He came to the house. During the Depression I do not think they had Obanmacare. Kids were birthed, death certificates were signed, and by my evidence many many of them lived a long life, into the 90s, without modern medicine, without Obamascare. Just with cash payment or a chicken for the doc’s pot, good genetics and hard work for healthy living.
IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. It does not need massive government intervention. It needs a good doctor, and a patient who pays without third or fourth party interventionism. In other words, the doctor - patient relationship that modern medicine has mightily destroyed. As this post suggests it is really not too late to go back to that . . . said with hope and prayer.
Oh yes modern life saving protocols cost thousands (OK then let us all get a policy for catastrophic costs, which is the intent of insurance after all — to share large / catastrophic costs from not probable events amongst a large pool). But between the AMA and the DEA and mandated insurance provisions that are not permitted to cover what the alphabet agencies decide is not appropriate, we have to pay from our own pocket for certain treatments that no Obamacare coverage will ever consider, and which are less costly and more effective than the official protocols in many cases.
Let’s Roll! it back to real medicine, between Doctor and patient.
Servus!
And the more people who got on catastrophic-only plans, the cheaper they would be.
Pay your doc 50 bucks cash for an office visit and keep your records with you.
Funny how the gubmint thinks it is so smart. Alway under estimating the resourcefulness of the people. If you want something there is always a way to get it. Prohibition worked real well for example.
add me please - thx
I didn’t see any mention of the Obamacare deductibles.
If you’re generally healthy, and have a plan with a high deductible; you still might find it cheaper to use a cash-only Doctor, because of the lower costs per visit.
And any such law will be disobeyed, because you can’t stop the signal. People who need help will end up going to unlicensed, internet trained locals. There will be bribery, black markets, and botched treatments, and yet it will be an unquenchable flicker of freedom that will prevent the collectivists from ever gaining total control. Alignment between resources and needs will always eventually self-correct. No matter how hard they try, it just can’t be stopped. This is why the American left is so behind the curve compared to the nascent movement to the right in Europe. The Europeans, some at least, have started to finally figure it out. Socialism, as a rigid ideology, is not ever going to work.
——They cherry-pick among their patient population ———
They discriminate. Those who pay get service. Those who don’t don’t.
Those who can’t pay can go elsewhere
It’s just business
I may be being Pollyanna here, but I’m thinking Obama has cashed his check with the Congress. Those up for re-election in ‘14 don’t want to be associated with this debacle, and they’re sure as hell not going to add any controversial follow-on legislation while they already face a ticked-off electorate.
So the government makes you cough up to pay into the government rat hole and then pay the doctor for medical care. Great!
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Do you seriously think we're going to let this continue?
"I quit when medicine was placed under State control, some years ago," said Dr. Hendricks. "Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything—except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the 'welfare' of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only 'to serve.' That a man who's willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards—never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy. I have often wondered at the smugness with which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind—yet what is it that they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands? Their moral code has taught them to believe that it is safe to rely on the virtue of their victims. Well, that is the virtue I have withdrawn. Let them discover the kind of doctors that their system will now produce. Let them discover, in their operating rooms and hospital wards, that it is not safe to place their lives in the hands of a man whose life they have throttled. It is not safe, if he is the sort of man who resents it—and still less safe, if he is the sort who doesn't."Atlas Shrugged, Part III, Chapter 1
I shudder at how prescient that book was.
I find the “concierge” approach interesting, but what does one do for catastrophic insurance in these days of Obamacare ?
When I was born in 1964, few Americans even had health insurance. The cost of my hospital birth and 2 or 3 day stay was about $85. That was a bit short of 2 weeks pay for my dad.
Collectivism is always a great stimulant to alternative(black) markets. How else do you think Venezuelans are getting their TP?
Not a bad idea for a relatively healthy individual.
THe only problem is that you get screwed if an emergency happens and have to revert to the state-run system.
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