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More legal trouble for Affordable Care Act
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 25, 2013 | By David G. Savage

Posted on 10/25/2013 6:42:44 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: pepsionice

fairness is fairness for obumblers voters. not the rest of us.


51 posted on 10/25/2013 8:03:10 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

moderate is just code for “useful idiot”


52 posted on 10/25/2013 8:11:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Tax credits are different than subsidies. Doesn’t one have to actually pay taxes in order to take advantage of a rax credit?


53 posted on 10/25/2013 8:11:59 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: brownsfan

You are not making your case. I means, typically, a disenfranchised D turning to the right. A conservative candidate will win a national election. The last time we tried it was our biggest victory ever.


54 posted on 10/25/2013 9:01:04 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: brownsfan

There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat, and independents are all over the board. Romney picked up a high percentage of independent votes, but lost because a lot of Republicans sat out the election.

Exactly what kind of compromises do you and your moderate friends suggest conservatives make regarding Obamacare? We’ve only begun to see how bad this purely Democrat legislation is. Wait until the wavers expire.


55 posted on 10/25/2013 9:08:29 AM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis; Louis Foxwell

Most here assume that polls that don’t show what they want to see are biased, wrong, or straight out lies. It’s also assumed that the “silent majority” still is a majority and that America is a center right country.

I suggest that America is a much dumber, center left country.

If you run Ted Cruz or Sarah Palin, that is, a true conservative, I don’t think it will go well.

What compromises? I’m just talking about one. Try to fix Obamacare as best you can. We can’t defund it, we can’t repeal it. So, just baying at it constantly with fruitless lawsuits will do nothing.

I’m taking care of me and mine. I’ll do as well as most if another Republican never wins the White House. I’m just telling you what I see. I admire the dig in and fight spirit, but sometimes, retreat and regroup makes more sense.

Here’s a prediction, based on what I see around me. 2014 - Dems hold the Senate and make gains in the House. Right now, I’ll say R’s hold the House, but not by a lot.

If America is the center right place that many here believe it is, the D’s will get slaughtered in 2014.


56 posted on 10/25/2013 11:03:56 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: brownsfan

The D’s are going to get slaughtered in 2014. (if we can start jailing liberals for vote fraud)

JMHO


57 posted on 10/25/2013 11:14:32 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: eyedigress

“The D’s are going to get slaughtered in 2014. (if we can start jailing liberals for vote fraud)

JMHO”

I hope you’re right, but I fear you’re wrong.


58 posted on 10/25/2013 11:17:26 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: brownsfan

I think Republicans will hold the house with little change and make gains in the Senate. National polls don’t predict Senate races or House races that well. It is better to go state by state and look at the demographics within voting districts, and the numbers don’t favor Democrats right now.

Compromise is good sometimes, when both parties are willing to give and take, and principles don’t have to be abandoned, but I can’t recall Democrats ever compromising on anything, or people like yourself telling Democrats they should stop being so leftist, and compromise with Republicans. It just doesn’t happen. Only Republicans are called on to compromise. That might help explain why conservatives are loath to deal with Democrats. For that matter, it discredits the idea that enlightened Republicans can work with Democrats on legislation like Obamacare, because no matter what they may suggest, like getting rid of the individual mandate, it will be shot down. That isn’t pessimism speaking, just reality. Your suggestion that Republicans compromise is empty unless you can come up with specifics, and identify areas where Democrats would accept changes and compromise.

The more people get a good look at what Obamacare is, the less uninformed politics will guide their decision making, and self interest will meet reality. I predict that come election time, a lot of voters who have lost their insurance coverage, or can’t afford Obamacare’s alternatives will be starting to think like Ted Cruz. It’s already happening.

Anyhow, I’m glad you and your family are well positioned to endure the future, even if the fanatical left ruins it. Good on you. If we keep heading down the current path, all of government is going to collapse just like Obamacare is already starting to do. I suspect a lot of us will get through it, but it won’t be much fun.


59 posted on 10/25/2013 12:06:51 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nearly 90 Percent Of Washington’s Enrollees Are In Medicaid, 82 Percent In Kentucky, And 64 Percent In New York. “CBS News has confirmed that in Washington, of the more than 35,000 people newly enrolled, 87 percent signed up for Medicaid. In Kentucky, out of 26,000 new enrollments, 82 percent are in Medicaid. And in New York, of 37,000 enrollments, Medicaid accounts for 64 percent. And there are similar stories across the country in nearly half of the states that run their own exchanges.” (Jan Crawford, “Medicaid Enrollment Spike A Threat To ObamaCare Structure?” CBS News, 10/25/13)


60 posted on 10/25/2013 1:19:32 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Do you know that your health care costs will be adjusted to your AGI?

61 posted on 10/27/2013 12:36:58 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Red Badger

bump


62 posted on 10/27/2013 12:38:19 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: brownsfan

Well, the moderates are hell bent on not getting our votes in 2014. Let them try.


63 posted on 10/27/2013 12:39:45 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: brownsfan

Them winning elections is possible without us?


64 posted on 10/27/2013 12:41:19 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: brownsfan
The moderates I know have voted, and will vote Republican when it’s reasonable. Many didn’t vote Obama in 2012, they either voted 3rd party, or simply didn’t have a presidential selection on their ballot.

If they thought ROMNEY was too conservative, then they are communists

65 posted on 10/27/2013 12:45:13 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: blackdog
Tax credits are different than subsidies. Doesn’t one have to actually pay taxes in order to take advantage of a rax credit?

Only in a sane world. Ever heard of EITC?

66 posted on 10/27/2013 12:49:20 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: brownsfan

Why would a center-right voter vote for McCain, Graham or McConnell?

You make the asinine assumption that R=”center-right”

It does not.

The GOP establishment are happier with Obama than they are Ted Cruz, do you understand that?


67 posted on 10/27/2013 12:52:11 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: pallis

spot on


68 posted on 10/27/2013 12:53:29 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: NativeSon

All we had to do was subsidize the emergency rooms, which were bankrupting the hospitals and getting closed.

But nobody asked me.


69 posted on 10/27/2013 12:53:33 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Health Insurance Marketplace by State
70 posted on 10/27/2013 12:57:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tatown; brownsfan

Also, if 18 percent of the country is tea party, as Congress recently told us, then some of those almost have to come from the moderate segment (supporting what you said).


71 posted on 10/27/2013 1:00:15 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

When you subsidize something you get more of it, I mean seriously, do we need a nation full of ER’s?

:p


72 posted on 10/27/2013 1:06:00 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I think you were joking, but it would have to be a better system than the ER system we have now. We just didn’t need this Chutes and Ladders monster game with its metastasizing rule book. Simpler would have been so much better.


73 posted on 10/27/2013 1:30:54 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

of course


74 posted on 10/27/2013 1:48:37 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: brownsfan
Being hardline conservative and appealing to anyone but conservatives isn’t likely.

Yeah, that's what the GHWB and other moderate candidates said in 1980 about Reagan. A leader, a real leader who is articulate, converts those "moderate" voters to his way of thinking. Just like the economy, voters' attitudes are not static, and a static analysis is doomed. If you don't want to convince voters that your principles are correct, then you are the worst sort of Quisling.

75 posted on 10/27/2013 7:14:39 AM PDT by jammer
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To: brownsfan

Tell your STUPId MODERATE friends that the Republicans TRIED and TRIED to get TORT REFORM AND ACROSS STATE LINE INSURANCE SALES WHICH THE DEMOCRATS FORBID!!!<P.Geesh...INFORM THEM instead of shaking your head affirmatively at the dumbasses. And tell them to start reading FR!!


76 posted on 10/27/2013 9:07:32 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NativeSon

I don’t subscribe to the ‘moderate’ view of anything, but if you’re asking what’s wrong with our health care system, the answer is: a lot. A HUGE lot. Mostly not in the care itself, but rather in how that care is paid for and billed. Obamacare didn’t do a damn thing about any of these systemic problems. All it did was force people to participate in the train wreck.

This is a very good analysis:

http://www.quora.com/Medicine-and-Healthcare/What-are-the-ways-to-contain-medical-costs-in-the-US-without-a-single-payer-system

(It says you need to sign up to read it, but you can click ‘close and read the answer’ instead.)

It is criminal that Republicans aren’t talking about solutions to these problems.


77 posted on 10/27/2013 10:02:22 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: pepsionice

Taxes at the federal level....have to be level and fair...you can’t invent some gauged system to reward some taxpayers and not others

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But that is exactly what progressive tax systems such as the income tax and the so-called loop holes do. However this is a step beyond, and so may very well invoke the equal protection clause. Don’t hold your breath though.

I would be suprised if the Supreme Court did anything to over rule the Administrations propensity to rule by Regulatory Degree, and a stroke of the pen.


78 posted on 10/27/2013 1:57:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: brownsfan

It appears that you are assuming the Independents are moderate. I am one of those Independents, but I am not a moderate at all.

Not unless you define moderate as being a believer in the Constitutional Republic form of government set up by the founders, where most issues are up to the states, and not the over reaching Federal Government which trys to boot strap everything to the commerce clause and/or the general welfare.

Just sayin the polls don’t tell the whole story.


79 posted on 10/27/2013 2:08:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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