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Underwater destiny for many N.J. towns?
Philly.com ^ | Peter Mucha

Posted on 11/01/2013 6:05:55 AM PDT by Phillyred

New Jersey may have been stronger than the storm, but the sea will prove stronger in the long run, scientists fear.

Dozens of its towns – including such familiar places as Atlantic City, Hoboken, Beach Haven and Wildwood -- may already be doomed to partly flooded futures.

Some neighborhoods are already precariously close to sea level, as evidenced by projects that have committed more than a billion dollars to replenish Jersey beaches and protect them over several decades. Even climate-change skeptics acknowledge that sea levels have been slowly rising.

"It's rare that you'll find someone to say that sea level isn't rising," said Jon Miller, a professor of coastal engineering at Stevens Institute of Technology. "That's hard to refute."

"If I had a house at the Jersey Shore I would want it to be built as high as it could possibly be," he added.

The rise this century could be dramatic – as much as 6.6 feet -- depending on how much global warming melts ice in Greenland and Antarctica, according to a report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

If this century mimics the last one, NOAA says, seas would rise just another eight inches. If the oceans warm and expand, the rise could double that. Add melting from ice sheets and glaciers and a four-foot rise is the expectation by 2100.

Four feet would be disastrous. It's enough for high tide to overrun half of the populated areas of 25 New Jersey towns – including half of Margate, Strathmere and Brigantine – and five in Delaware, displacing as many as a quarter-million people, according to “Cities Below Future Seas,” an interactive tool from Climate Central, a Princeton-based research group.

See list: "39 N.J. Towns Most at Risk to Rising Seas"

These are not all towns with narrow beaches. Indeed, the tool's simulations of coming flooding shows that bayside streets may be hardest hit, so even Wildwood, with its broad beach, is in jeopardy. And some low-lying towns aren't even at the Shore, including Hoboken and Secaucus in North Jersey, Pennsville in Salem County, and Gibbstown in Gloucester County.

Such a rise has already become inevitable, says ecologist Ben Strauss, a Climate Central vice president.

“It appears that the amount of carbon pollution to date has already locked in more than 4 feet of sea level rise past today’s levels,” he said. “That is enough, at high tide, to submerge more than half of today’s population in 316 coastal cities and towns (home to 3.6 million) in the lower 48 states,” including Miami, Virginia Beach, Sacramento and Jacksonville.

Lower the "threat threshold" to 25 percent, and New York and Boston join the list, according to Strauss.

The timetable may be uncertain, Strauss said, but he’s convinced the end result is as clear as the fate of a bag of ice left out at room temperature.

The idea of such long-term impact is supported by a recently released draft of a report by the UN-appointed Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Four feet might even be an underestimate. "Most scientists tell me that number is too low," Strauss said.

Some scientists suspect global warming could generate more hurricanes in the Atlantic, and former Vice President Al Gore even speculated about monstrous Category 6 hurricanes spawned by global warming.

But sea level changes are looking like the more real worry, said Philip Klotzbach, part of the hurricane prediction team at Colorado State University.

"If you look at global tropical cyclone activity around the globe, right now we’re at a 30-year low,” and several dozen earlier Atlantic storms were more powerful than Sandy, he said.

Raise sea levels, though, and coastlines everywhere become more vulnerable to storms of all sizes, suggesting that in coming decades, policymakers may face increasing pressure to shift from rebuilding after hurricanes and major nor'easters to beginning a strategic retreat.

Hurricanes can seem like Mother Nature's mood swings. Regularly flooded streets might drive home the message that the answer's in the air.

Miller hopes there's still time to stave off disaster, by engineering buildings and beaches that can better survive the wind, rainfall and storm surges of major storms, while cutbacks in greenhouse-gas emissions help the atmosphere heal.

"I think you do have to attack the problem from both ends," Miller said.

Perhaps new technologies will scrub carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. That's the goal of Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Earth Challenge, a contest with a $25 million prize.

Other alarming scientific reports assert that the heat in coming decades will make recent record years seem cool, and that severe spring thunderstorms will be more frequent in the Eastern United States, all because of global warming. Last year, a geophysicist even argued that climate change could trigger more volcanic eruptions and earthquakes.

Although 97 percent of top climate scientists agree that the planet is in the midst of human-accelerated climate change, skeptics persist, who argue that you can’t prove a drastic future before it arrives.

“It's all very speculative,” says H. Sterling Burnett, an analyst with the National Center for Policy Analysis. Barrier islands may eventually disappear unless there’s another ice age, he said, but he has doubts that computer models can accurately predict what lies ahead.

Evidence will become increasingly ominous, then undeniable, Strauss predicts. Sandy's storm surge set a record for Atlantic City that might not be broken soon. But by mid-century, the odds start stacking up, Strauss said. A 2 percent annual chance of topping Sandy in the 2040s will grow to 13 percent in the 2060s, jump to 33 percent in the 2070s, then rocket to 100 percent in the 2080s, projections suggest.

“Places are going to have that sharp transition from never getting flooded or rarely getting flooded to always getting flooded," he said. "... That’s the heart of it. That’s how people are going to experience this.”

At current greenhouse-gas production rates, by late this century even some Pennsylvania towns start showing as destined to have sections submerge. The most vulnerable are Bristol, Croydon and Tullytown in Bucks County, and Eddystone and Marcus Hook in Delaware County. At that level - an inevitable rise in sea level of 20 feet - more than 1.5 million people in New Jersey would be affected, including in Camden and Gloucester City.

Miller's more hopeful.

"I don't think it's a losing battle yet," he said. "But we may get to a point that it does become a losing battle."


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Doesn't take long to get to their agenda. Tough to keep reading after "Al Gore" and "U.N." Funny, no mention of the 15 years of no warming we have experienced. No mention of the 11 year sun spot cylce or the little ice age. No mention of any other possible causes other than the air we exhale. No mention of lower temperatures during times when we emitted the most CO2 in history. I am so tired of agenda-driven journalism. Does anyone have info on this "non-biased non profit", Climate Central?
1 posted on 11/01/2013 6:05:55 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Phillyred

Much of the eastern seaboard is sinking due to tectonic forces that have nothing to do with weather.


2 posted on 11/01/2013 6:09:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Phillyred

3 posted on 11/01/2013 6:10:16 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Phillyred

There is warming all right. Some of those temperature measuring stations are showing warmer temperatures. Of course it isn’t mentioned a 5 acre asphalt parking lot built next to it.


4 posted on 11/01/2013 6:11:04 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Under the Democrats; the Lincoln Memorial is closed; but the southern border is open)
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To: RightGeek
Try this one:


5 posted on 11/01/2013 6:18:00 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Phillyred

Like erosion never happened in the past. Idiots. They claim people are the bane of the planet, and then they run sob stories about how awful it is that geology affects humans who chose to perch on a shoreline.

Which is it? Do we love Gaia as she is, or not?


6 posted on 11/01/2013 6:20:10 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: Phillyred

If we took all of the Scientists and people who they have fooled into believing their BS we could stack them up against the sea and form a barrier.


7 posted on 11/01/2013 6:21:28 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Phillyred
"It's rare that you'll find someone to say that sea level isn't rising," said Jon Miller, a professor of coastal engineering at Stevens Institute of Technology. "That's hard to refute."

He is correct. At the upper west side wine and cheese parties it is rare to find someone that isn't parroting the lie.

8 posted on 11/01/2013 6:21:35 AM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Phillyred

Actually this may happen but not because of AGW sea rise. The east coast has been sinking from North Carolina up to New York for thousand upon thousands of years.

This sinking process partially aided or caused the strong earthquake two years ago in Mineral Springs.

However it certainly won’t happen this decade....lol


9 posted on 11/01/2013 6:28:38 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: Phillyred

Carbon pollution. Don’t you love it. How about some gold pollution.


10 posted on 11/01/2013 6:31:37 AM PDT by wita
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To: Phillyred
Sea levels have not risen... Arctic Ice Pack at record levels... up 75% over last year... as of now... solar max of 11 year sunspot cycle lowest in recorded History... leading UK scientists now predicting a mini ice age... Maunder Minimum almost certain... and these MF’ers still try to sell bullsh!t to bulls!
11 posted on 11/01/2013 6:32:52 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Phillyred

Aw, jeez...


12 posted on 11/01/2013 6:33:50 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Phillyred
The rise this century could be dramatic – as much as 6.6 feet -- depending on how much global warming melts ice in Greenland and Antarctica, according to a report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. If this century mimics the last one, NOAA says, seas would rise just another eight inches. If the oceans warm and expand, the rise could double that. Add melting from ice sheets and glaciers and a four-foot rise is the expectation by 2100. Four feet would be disastrous. It's enough for high tide to overrun half of the populated areas of 25 New Jersey towns – including half of Margate, Strathmere and Brigantine – and five in Delaware, displacing as many as a quarter-million people, according to “Cities Below Future Seas,” an interactive tool from Climate Central, a Princeton-based research group.

This is a nice example of how they just make shit up. Check their math - first they state that we're looking at a 6.6 feet rise. To get there, they explain it could be eight inches if it's like last century (remember that? me neither, but anyway) they then state that a puffy ocean could double that, so there's a sixteen inch rise. Add melting glaciers and what not, and they say the total could be four feet, which could spell the end of civilization AWKI.

But that 6.6 foot number is still floating out there like unflushed turd. Can we revisit that number? Where did it come from? Where did it go? Oh, it was just a made up number. Like every other made up number in this dopey article.

Such a rise has already become inevitable, says ecologist Ben Strauss, a Climate Central vice president.

That's good news Ben! What's the sense of worrying. To quote the country song, "If you would, Lord, send a boat."

13 posted on 11/01/2013 6:37:06 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Phillyred

We learned conclusively in an old thread that the sea level change is the result of tectonic movement and not climate change.


14 posted on 11/01/2013 6:40:27 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: dead

The Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coast has been sinking for years. In the 70’s part of Baytown finally succumbed to the Gulf.

At the same time, ocean levels have been rising for 20,000 years, since the last ice age. The Egyptian coast line of Cleopatra’s time is under 30-40’ of water due to rising oceans, and there is no evidence this was due to “man-made global warming”.


15 posted on 11/01/2013 6:41:50 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Phillyred
October 18, 2013

2013 ranks as one of the least extreme U.S. weather years ever – Many bad weather events at ‘historically low levels’

'Whether you’re talking about tornadoes, wildfires, extreme heat or hurricanes, the good news is that weather-related disasters in the US are all way down this year compared to recent years and, in some cases, down to historically low levels.'


16 posted on 11/01/2013 6:50:21 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Phillyred

“There’s only one way left to save New Jersey, Frank.”

“What is it, Doctor?”

“Depends absorbent underwear. We issue them to everyone in New Jersey. Then, we have them charge into the ocean. This will soak up at least half of the Atlantic Ocean.”

“But, what do we do with all that wet underwear?”

“We send them to Mexico and tell them they’re pinatas.”


17 posted on 11/01/2013 6:52:56 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Phillyred
Current sea level rise is 6 inches per century.


18 posted on 11/01/2013 6:59:33 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Phillyred

I could just as easily write a story about the coming glaciation and how the new growing ice sheets in Canada, Scandinavia and Siberia are going to lower ocean levels so badly that Atlantic City will be hundreds of miles from the coast and suffer gravely due to the ocean-front economy disappearing.

Then, there will be the rise of Beringia land bridge to Asia which will flood Alaska with Russian illegal aliens and OH! what will we do???!

What about the massive Canadian wheat crop failures due to farmers not able to plant in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba because the fields are under 1 mile of ice?

Oh the horrors!

Proof? Well, we’ve had ice ages in the past... Who says they’re over? They don’t even know why they begin, nor why they end!

It’s all speculation.


19 posted on 11/01/2013 7:00:08 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Tax-chick

In Great Britain entire voting districts have fallen into the sea but that was before global warming.


20 posted on 11/01/2013 7:02:53 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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