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To: CelesteChristi
It's amusing that you continue telling me I can't read, but you are not responding to my counter-claims. I'll use your own words to explain your errors to you, one more time.

Your original claim: "People that equate Cruz’s parentage and birth with Obama’s parentage and birth don’t understand the law. Birth location is not the issue. By law Cruz’s mother’s American citizenship transferred to Cruz. By law Obama’s mother’s citizenship did not."

There is your claim, that "birth location is not the issue" (that is whether or not he was born in the USA) that there is some law in effect at the time that prevented Obama for getting citizenship, despite being born in Hawaii.

My counter-claim is: that birth location is decisive in determining citizenship, regardless of parents nationality or age. So, if you want to claim that Obama did not have American citizenship at birth, as you do, you MUST begin that claim by asserting your belief that he was born outside the USA.

You then arrogantly and repeatedly tell me to read the law which is posted on this thread. "You’re not reading all the words. Birthplace has nothing to do with this. The fact that one parent was a foreigner changes how citizenship is conferred. The actual statue in place at the time of his birth is on this thread. Try reading it - all of it - in full.

OK, here is the first line of the law, which describes what the law concerns:

a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States” before Nov. 14, 1986 ... etc.

See, there it is! All those complicated rules about 5 years and 10 years apply for "a person born outside the geographical limits of the United State".

If you believe Obama's claim to Hawaiian birth then nothing that follows in that law has anything to do with him.

It' doesn't matter how long she lived in the USA continuously, etc.

And again, my counter example: All day every day woman fly, drive and walk into the USA at seven, eight and nine months pregnant to have their baby here SO THAT THEIR CHILD WILL BE A US CITIZEN!

You can't seriously believe that there is some weird combination of travel and foreign residence that an American citizen could undertake that would (somehow) result in their child, born in USA, not gaining citizenship while the woman in the room next to them who is a Mexican citizen who's been here for a month can somehow give citizenship to her kid. Nope. By virtue of the child being born in a hospital in the USA that child is a citizen.

You are the one who can't read, or comprehend, or apparently explain things or admit mistakes. Oh well.

There are still arguments to be made about whether mere citizenship at birth confers one with the "Natural Born Citizen" status that is a requirement of the Constitution for holding the office of POTUS. But that's not what you have been asserting. You have been asserting that even if Barry was born in Hawaii he's not a citizen.

That's a ridiculous claim and one that makes us all look foolish. Which is why I've spent too much time debunking it.

PS: I apologize for my multiple postings. I have that trouble posting from my smart-phone sometimes.

143 posted on 11/02/2013 4:28:58 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

No apology necessary. Feel free to say what ever you feel the need to say.

I don’t respond to your assertions because they’re off subject.

And I am not “claiming” anything. I’m simply presenting the law as written the day Barack Obama was born. There’s no need to look any further than that very simple statute.

Barack Obama was not, and is not, a natural born citizen, no matter where he was birthed, because his mother’s citizenship did not confer. Had they picked an American father for him it wouldn’t be an issue, but they didn’t, so it is.

Again, the statue is on this thread, and again, don’t parse, read the whole thing. Slowly might help. It’s as clear as day.


144 posted on 11/02/2013 4:49:27 PM PDT by CelesteChristi
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To: SoConPubbie; Jack Black; CelesteChristi; Jim Robinson
Now after following the thread, I see why Jim added [birther trolls stay out!]

Obama is the enemy, not Ted Cruz.

Birtherism ends on Jan 20th 2017 when Obama moves out of the White House and unfortunately Birthers will be the losers for failing to get the man impeached.

Ted Cruz is as eligible as John McCain so there has never been a reason for the eligibility issue to be wasted on Ted Cruz threads. It takes away from the real theme of the articles.

It's going to be a looong campaign if every Ted Cruz thread turns into Birther chat.

Personally, if Ted Cruz washed up on the beaches of Miami last week he'd still get my vote (Obama has already set the precedence). I think there are Cubans in Havana that are more pro-American than the man in the White House today.

But the fact is, Ted Cruz is as eligible as anybody before Obama.

That said, when you donate to Cruz, give it to him directly and NOT to the GOP. For all we know the GOPe may use your donations to fund a third party. I don't trust them.

156 posted on 11/05/2013 5:31:18 PM PST by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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