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To: jazusamo

Damn skippy. Both parties are to blame for this crap. Everyone, and I mean everyone who has supported the Patriot Act is to blame for this. The Patriot Act opened the door to the NSA allowing them to do what ever the hell they want.


4 posted on 11/02/2013 11:08:44 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327
-- The Patriot Act opened the door to the NSA allowing them to do what ever the hell they want. --

The snooping was going on long before the USA Patriot Act. The government has been caught before, and Congress makes a big fuss and passes some laws that appear to curtail the power of the government to snoop. FISA, for example, was passed in 1977 as a reaction to the Church Committee report, and COINTELPRO.

Heck, SCOTUS, the first time it handled a phone call case, held that phone calls are OUTSIDE of 4th amendment privacy. Congress passed a statute to make snooping on phones a crime, and since then, the Courts have sort of found a right to privacy in phone calls.

The disincentives to snooping without a warrant are hollow. There is no legal penalty to the government (well, there is "on paper," but not in fact, as long as the government asserts "state secret"), leaving only the risk of negative public reaction if/when a snooping incident is disclosed.

And the cycle repeats. Negative public reaction is met with hollow outrage from Congress and a promise to not snoop anymore. It's all a show. You can bet the government snoops "as much as it can" (which is a physical/practical limitation, not a legal one). The government does not trust the public. Simple as pie.

24 posted on 11/02/2013 12:21:02 PM PDT by Cboldt
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