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Why Most Postmortems of Virginia’s Gubernatorial Race Are Wrong
Roll Call Rothenblog ^ | 11/11/13 | Stu Rothenberg

Posted on 11/13/2013 5:52:03 AM PST by 1010RD

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To: riverdawg

YOU DID RECEIVE THE CONSTANT ANTI CUCH PROPAGANDA SINCE JULY. THE CONSTANT BEATING UP OF CUCH. YOU DID NOT EXPERIENCE IT. GET IT?


51 posted on 11/13/2013 8:59:55 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

I am no spring chicken, the scale of this media blitz was something I have never seen before. It was UFB.


52 posted on 11/13/2013 9:01:36 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Cucchinelli was his own worst enemy in the campaign. He gave the ammo to the McAuliffe campaign and they used it. There aren't enough people in the Tea Party to control state-wide elections in Virginia, even in an “off-year” like 2013. Candidates there need to reach out to the center to win. Hope you enjoy your four years of that creep, McAuliffe.
53 posted on 11/13/2013 9:07:57 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg

It was all about the money and the constant personal attack. If you don’t live here then your opinion is just like the pore between you legs.


54 posted on 11/13/2013 9:10:07 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

F.O.


55 posted on 11/13/2013 10:03:58 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: Carry_Okie
"As far as I could discern, Cucinelli lost because he was so busy appealing to the base that he failed to sell his ideas to the center."

Cuccinelli won the independent vote by 9 points.

56 posted on 11/13/2013 11:45:29 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: central_va
"For those of us in Virginia, any pretense that the GOP would play ball with Conservatives has been wiped away. It WAS that bad. It will only get worse."

Exactly right. If I needed any final straw to make me repudiate the filthy, traitorous GOPe---and I didn't---this would have done it.

57 posted on 11/13/2013 11:48:09 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: riverdawg
"Cucchinelli was his own worst enemy in the campaign. He gave the ammo to the McAuliffe campaign and they used it."

Not at all. It's impossible to get your message out when your campaign is broke and the RNC turns its back.

58 posted on 11/13/2013 11:50:57 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon
Cuccinelli won the independent vote by 9 points.

Not when you throw in the "Libertarian" vote.

59 posted on 11/13/2013 11:58:14 AM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: central_va
I am no spring chicken, the scale of this media blitz was something I have never seen before. It was UFB.

I can imagine... I'm seeing something like it NOW, by McConnell against Bevin, his Tea Party Challenger. And we're 8 months away from the primary!

Judging by the numbers, Tea Party supporters did NOT go Libertarian...

But, many "moderate" Republicans did.. and, a surprisingly high number of Republicans voted for McAulliffe, primarily because, they DID NOT LIKE Cuccoo.

Those are the tell-tale signs of:

1) A successful media mud slinging campaign, and/or
2) Fraudulent vote counting.

60 posted on 11/13/2013 12:14:12 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: Carry_Okie

9 points is 9 points, per Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh.


61 posted on 11/13/2013 12:25:33 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: SomeCallMeTim
"But, many "moderate" Republicans did.. and, a surprisingly high number of Republicans voted for McAulliffe, primarily because, they DID NOT LIKE Cuccoo. "

But why did they dislike him? (Although that word is inaccurate when applied to the situation).

Cuccinelli is strongly against raising taxes. Some moderate Republicans saw Terry McAuliffe as the person they could "work" with, deal with, get a piece of the gravy train. I remember a FR thread from months ago which claimed McAuliffe bought off Republican businessmen in the Hampton Roads area. Sure enough, the Repub mayor of Virginia Beach appeared in a campaign ad for McAuliffe.

The Chamber of Commerce spent a million dollars McDonnell four years ago; they didn't give a dime to Cuccinelli.

Eric Cantor's former chief of staff actively assisted the McAuliffe campaign. And Bill Bolling, our SOB of a lieutenant governor, refused to support Cuccinelli....rumor was the he was helping McA.

So, as you see, it had nothing to do with Cuccinelli's fitness as a candidate. As Limbaugh said, Ken is a solid Reagan conservative. But his campaign was swamped by the old Republican boys' network, the lack of support from the RNC, and a whispering campaign started by the leadership of the GOP that he was a dangerous right-wing extremist.

62 posted on 11/13/2013 12:43:52 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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>> Cuccinelli failed to get the same level of support from the normally Republican voting groups

Yet, Cooch got damn close despite the GOP’s lackluster support.

Vote out the RINOs in 2014!


63 posted on 11/13/2013 12:46:29 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: riverdawg

>> That’s the bottom line. He was a badly flawed candidate. If you can’t beat an odious creep like McAuliffe

Nonsense. Cooch was heavily outspent, received tepid support from the GOP, and was knee-capped by the Dem plant, Sarvis. He was also falsely accused of avoiding Cruz by the MSM.

Cooch lost because the GOP wanted him to lose.


64 posted on 11/13/2013 12:53:18 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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Yet, Cooch got damn close despite the GOP’s lackluster support.

It is a testament to who they are that they would allow a creep like McAuliffe to be elected instead of a guy who exemplifies the ideas to which they have given lip service lo these many years.

65 posted on 11/13/2013 12:54:53 PM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
9 points is 9 points, per Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh.

Nine points of a segment is not nine points of the total.

66 posted on 11/13/2013 1:02:48 PM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Never mind.


67 posted on 11/13/2013 1:04:38 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Carry_Okie

They’re not going to support a guy who says, “I’m coming to destroy you.” At the same time where was the TEA Party money? I think Ken ran a poor campaign.

Too many FReepers want to see a bogey monster behind each set back. Instead it’s sometimes how we frame the issue, sometimes it’s the candidate, and we have to admit that and work with it.

An example of that was Ted Cruz on Jay Leno’s show. He knew he was in enemy territory, Cruz gave solid answers to a hostile questioner who’s normally as soft as the Pillsbury Dough Boy with his guest, and, I believe, Cruz came off looking pretty reasonable.

On the other hand, when Todd Akin stumbled with his “legitimate rape” statement he simply shot himself in the foot. Cuccinelli did the same thing. He was dodging around trying to “be” something. He, and every candidate, need to “do” something. He wasn’t ready for prime time.

TEA Party candidates have to be professional and have to run a campaign that is tight and focused. I believe they’ll do best in House Districts, not statewide or nationally. If you are thinking of running or know a potential candidate, then send ‘em to school: http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/


68 posted on 11/13/2013 1:44:45 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I don’t think so. Cuccinelli didn’t know what he wanted to “be”, bounced around, and eventually settled on Obamacare, after running from the government “shutdown”.

Take a look at how Ted Cruz has handled both. One speaks to sloppiness and the other fundamental ideals and professionalism.


69 posted on 11/13/2013 1:46:51 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: CatherineofAragon
“Not at all. It's impossible to get your message out when your campaign is broke and the RNC turns its back.”

If your campaign is broke, then your candidacy is flawed. If you are going to thumb your nose at the GOP-e/RNC (and I can understand why Cuccinelli would want to do that) then you have to motivate the Tea Party to step up and write the big checks necessary to counter McAuliffe and the DNC.

70 posted on 11/13/2013 1:51:12 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: vbmoneyspender

Take a look at the raw numbers:

http://arlington-va.patch.com/groups/elections/p/virginia-election-2013-results-mcauliffe-cuccinelli—sarvis-square-off-for-governor

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html

The election was too close to not blame Cuccinelli for the loss. Better fundraising, more thoughtful and diplomatic campaign, a candidate that didn’t fumble early and often, etc.

Compare his performance to Cruz’s. If Cuccinelli had hammered on Obamacare the entire time, he’d have pulled it off. If he hadn’t scared the GOPe, he’d have gotten more money. He looked sloppy and goofy from the start.


71 posted on 11/13/2013 1:52:25 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: sr4402

Fine for some items (remember Clinton and Sister Souljah?), but not for others. Cuccinelli won Independents, marrieds, whites, but still lost. Take a look at the numbers in the article and what do you see?


72 posted on 11/13/2013 1:54:12 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: riverdawg

The campaign was broke, and it’s the filth in the RNC who are flawed (although I can think of more accurate, less polite terms).

No matter what excuses you try to make, there are none for a candidate’s own party abandoning him financially. With the huge influx of money from Bloomberg and other out-of-state Democrats, there is no way Cuccinelli could have begun to compete.


73 posted on 11/13/2013 5:50:57 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: 1010RD

Cruz is the gold standard but much mayhem and evil helped terry mcawful.


74 posted on 11/14/2013 4:06:58 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: 1010RD

Did Romney lose in Virginia?


75 posted on 11/14/2013 6:55:19 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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