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John McCain Has Earned The Right to be RECALLED
http://www.shareactivist.com/2013/11/john-mccain-has-earned-right-to-be.html ^ | Scott Ryan

Posted on 11/14/2013 8:17:19 PM PST by publius321

"...Please Arizona, Quit Working Against Us. You can do Better than this. John McCain is serving a six year term that doesn’t end until 2016. His career in which he has earned the title of “maverick” was built by betraying the fundamental principles upon which the Republican Party was founded and his name adjoins legislation sponsored and co-authored by the most odious of leftist Democrat legislators.

John McCain has earned the right to retire as a recalled US Senator. Not all states enable their voters to do this but ... continued (couldn't post all material here due to charts, video and my lack of html knowledge)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: collaborator; cruz; mccain; recall; repeal; sellout
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1 posted on 11/14/2013 8:17:19 PM PST by publius321
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To: publius321

john mccain has earned the right to some of my thorazine

SHUT UP OBIWAN!


2 posted on 11/14/2013 8:19:47 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: publius321

McCain spent way too long at the Hanoi Hilton. A darn shame, of course, but he was never the same after that.


3 posted on 11/14/2013 8:21:18 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: publius321

Oh please, just tell me where to send some money to make this happen!


4 posted on 11/14/2013 8:22:42 PM PST by Junk Silver
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To: publius321

You can add McCain to the ranks of Christie. They will NEVER get my vote...even if it means a Dem gets elected. It’s past time to try to elect the lesser of two evils..... I am done with the R’s.....


5 posted on 11/14/2013 8:25:10 PM PST by theyreallthesame
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To: publius321
John McCain Has Earned The Right to be RECALLED/b>

There is no provision in the U.S. Constitution for the recall of a U.S. Senator or a Congressman.

Waste of time.

6 posted on 11/14/2013 8:26:35 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: cloudmountain
...but he was never the same after that.>/i>

He was too hot before that either.

7 posted on 11/14/2013 8:27:45 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: okie01

There is no provision in the U.S. Constitution for the recall of a U.S. Senator or a Congressman.

Waste of time.

if McCain signed a pledge to honor a recall then its not a waste of time...


8 posted on 11/14/2013 8:29:20 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: MileHi
...but he was never the same after that.

He wasn't too hot before that either.

9 posted on 11/14/2013 8:29:23 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: okie01

It is Arizona law, linked in the blog. It specifies -all- elected officials and states “including state wide office. That’s the beauty of federalism.

Point to where you get your esoteric knowledge please. You make a claim that appears false and give no supporting evidence.


10 posted on 11/14/2013 8:31:57 PM PST by publius321
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To: publius321
It specifies -all- elected officials and states “including state wide office.

McCain doesn't hold a statewide office. He holds a federal office.

I haven't read the supporting article, but I doubt the recall of a sitting U.S. Senator is legal in any state. They can, however, be impeached. That's in the Constitution.

11 posted on 11/14/2013 8:39:11 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: publius321
Recall the guy who made political speech during an election illegal?

Great step forward for the Republic.

12 posted on 11/14/2013 8:40:02 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Windflier

Article 8 of the Arizona State Constitution:

“Text of Section 1:

Officers Subject to Recall; Petitioners

Every public officer in the state of Arizona, holding an elective office, either by election or appointment, is subject to recall from such office by the qualified electors of the electoral district from which candidates are elected to such office. Such electoral district may include the whole state. Such number of said electors as shall equal twentyfive per centum of the number of votes cast at the last preceding general election for all of the candidates for the office held by such officer, may by petition, which shall be known as a recall petition, demand his recall.”


13 posted on 11/14/2013 8:56:54 PM PST by Postman (Flies get too litle credit. They know!)
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To: cloudmountain
McCain spent way too long at the Hanoi Hilton. A darn shame, of course, but he was never the same after that.


14 posted on 11/14/2013 8:57:07 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: okie01

Article 8 of the Arizona State Constitution:

Text of Section 1:

Officers Subject to Recall; Petitioners

Every public officer in the state of Arizona, holding an elective office, either by election or appointment, is subject to recall from such office by the qualified electors of the electoral district from which candidates are elected to such office. Such electoral district may include the whole state. Such number of said electors as shall equal twentyfive per centum of the number of votes cast at the last preceding general election for all of the candidates for the office held by such officer, may by petition, which shall be known as a recall petition, demand his recall.


15 posted on 11/14/2013 8:57:15 PM PST by Postman (Flies get too litle credit. They know!)
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To: Postman

Sounds like a court battle between the Arizona state Constitution and the U.S. Constitution could be in the offing. There’s obviously a conflict between the two, in this regard.


16 posted on 11/14/2013 9:01:24 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rolling_stone
if McCain signed a pledge to honor a recall then its not a waste of time...

He did sign a pledge to honor a recall. It is a total waste of time. It was tried once, and failed, and it would fail again. Here is why.

No one who is electable will run against him, they all remember McCain's 15 million dollar smear campaign against J.D. Hayworth in 2010.

McCain controls the Arizona Republican party, he has operatives spread through the party at all levels.

Far too many no information voters in Az. have the battered wife syndrome, they will vote for McCain no matter what.

Then there is the "but he is a war hero" crowd who would follow McCain over a cliff.

I understand these things from many years inside the Airzona Republican Party.

17 posted on 11/14/2013 9:02:33 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: publius321; All

Maybe Mark Levin is concidering an amendment to repeal the 17th Amendment. If so, suggest to Levin that he includes a provision in that amendment which allows state lawmakers to recall federal senators.

In the meanwhile, Arizona voters disgruntled with McCain should petition McCain to resign.


18 posted on 11/14/2013 9:10:13 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: MileHi
He was too hot before that either.

Before Vietnam, you mean?

From the Internet: McCain followed his father and grandfather, both four-star admirals, into the United States Navy, graduating from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958. He became a naval aviator, flying ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, he was almost killed in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. In October 1967, while on a bombing mission over Hanoi, he was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973. McCain experienced episodes of torture, and refused an out-of-sequence early repatriation offer. His war wounds left him with lifelong physical limitations.

Reads like a hero before Vietnam...all his life, in fact.

19 posted on 11/14/2013 9:10:48 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Windflier

That would be an interesting battle. I suspect that if the state with a recall provision in its constitution allowing recall of its elected officials by voters of that state actually pursued the issue to the USSC, we might secure another way to removing people like McCain, Menendez, et al once they start acting against the people who put them in office.


20 posted on 11/14/2013 9:12:05 PM PST by Postman (Flies get too litle credit. They know!)
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To: Windflier

U.S. Constitution trumps the state. There has never been a provision for recall of federal officials.


21 posted on 11/14/2013 9:21:49 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: cloudmountain
Do more research
22 posted on 11/14/2013 9:22:45 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: okie01

that is because states determine if their senators and reps can be recalled.


23 posted on 11/14/2013 9:26:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: MileHi
So more research

Why? My mother and her family were from Arizona. I've been hearing about him all my life. I even remember going to the GOLDWATER stores in Phoenix while Barry was still alive.

McCain was a hero. I'm amazed he turned out as sane as he did after all those years as a POW in Hanoi.
Now, he's just a politician, just like all the other politicians.

YOU do more research....

24 posted on 11/14/2013 9:31:50 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: fieldmarshaldj

nope, otherwise all state and local gun laws would be null and void due to the second amendment, which says NO infringement.

the constitution also is now silent on alcohol, yet some areas are dry and some are not, at the local level.

states are allowed to define all laws for their elections and electors.


25 posted on 11/14/2013 9:32:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: cloudmountain

Whatever


26 posted on 11/14/2013 9:40:11 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well, good luck in trying to get that state recall provision upheld in any federal court for a federal official.


27 posted on 11/14/2013 9:54:13 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

There’s also nothing in there that says a state cannot recall. It’s the state’s business as long as they do provide a Senator to represent them. What isn’t enumerated in the constitution is reserved for the states. This is federalism. I’m surprised there are people so willing to be subjects of the leviathan.


28 posted on 11/14/2013 9:58:25 PM PST by publius321
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To: fieldmarshaldj

you can also look at the constitution, there’s nothing in it that prohibits the recall of senators and representatives, either.
since states have always determined their own qualifications for electors, and basically determine everything about it, if they want to recall them ,that power rests with them as well.


29 posted on 11/14/2013 10:11:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Junk Silver

haha. EXACTLY!


30 posted on 11/14/2013 10:14:20 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: publius321

John McCain is like a jug of OLD milk. -WAY past the expiration date, thus harmful to all people who drink.

Time to pour old John DOWN the john...


31 posted on 11/15/2013 5:53:13 AM PST by joethedrummer
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To: publius321
On last night show, Michael Barry called John Cornyn - "John McCornyn". At least we have one "John Mc" we can try to get rid of in 2014!
32 posted on 11/15/2013 5:55:40 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: rolling_stone
if McCain signed a pledge to honor a recall then its not a waste of time...

You really think he would honor it?

33 posted on 11/15/2013 6:05:19 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Postman
Article 8 of the Arizona State Constitution:

Article I, Section 5 of the U.S. Constitution:

"Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member."

And that is the only way a sitting Senator can be removed from office.

34 posted on 11/15/2013 6:12:10 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: publius321
What isn’t enumerated in the constitution is reserved for the states.

It is enumerated in the Constitution. Article I, Section 5 details the only method allowed for removing a sitting Senator or Congressman.

35 posted on 11/15/2013 6:14:17 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Secret Agent Man
that is because states determine if their senators and reps can be recalled.

That is most assuredly NOT the case.

U.S. Senators and U.S. Congressmen are not subject to recall. Period. The U.S. Constitution makes no provision for this action and, upon election, they are subject to federal law, not state law.

36 posted on 11/15/2013 6:58:47 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Postman
Article 8 of the Arizona State Constitution: Text of Section 1:

Officers Subject to Recall; Petitioners

Every public officer in the state of Arizona, holding an elective office, either by election or appointment, is subject to recall from such office by the qualified electors of the electoral district from which candidates are elected to such office.

Well and good. Except that, upon election, U.S. Senators and U.S. Congressmen are federal officers; they are not subject to state law.

They cannot be recalled. Period (which, in this case, is an accurate use of the exclusive term).

37 posted on 11/15/2013 7:01:32 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: publius321
It is Arizona law, linked in the blog. It specifies -all- elected officials and states “including state wide office. That’s the beauty of federalism.

U.S. Senators and U.S. Congressmen are federal officers and subject to federal law, not state law.

My source is the U.S. Constitution and this issue was resolved long ago.

Heritage Foundation

38 posted on 11/15/2013 7:05:26 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
U.S. Constitution trumps the state. There has never been a provision for recall of federal officials.

That's my understanding.

39 posted on 11/15/2013 8:11:50 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: okie01

the us constitution has zero language in it that prohibits recall of sentors and representatives.

it explains the enumerated powers fedgov has. there is no enumerated power reserving this power to fedgov.

further nothing in it specifically tells states they cannot recall their electors.

therefore this recall power is a tenth amendment issue, with this ability remaining residing with the people and the states.


40 posted on 11/15/2013 10:53:52 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
therefore this recall power is a tenth amendment issue, with this ability remaining residing with the people and the states.

Sorry, but you are mistaken.

Can a U.S. Senator be recalled?

41 posted on 11/15/2013 11:10:51 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

this is just a blog writer’s personal opinion, not settled law. it’s no stronger than my opinion. at worst we’re at a draw.


42 posted on 11/15/2013 11:17:47 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
the us constitution has zero language in it that prohibits recall of sentors and representatives.

The U.S. Constitution does say how a senator or congressman can be removed from office - by a vote of expulsion by 2/3rds of their peers. No other way is allowed.

it explains the enumerated powers fedgov has. there is no enumerated power reserving this power to fedgov.

Yes there is. Article I, Section 5.

further nothing in it specifically tells states they cannot recall their electors

Nothing in it says they can either. It says that the only way a sitting member can be removed is through expulsion.

43 posted on 11/15/2013 11:24:30 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Secret Agent Man
So, you don't like the Heritage Foundation?

So, let's try the Congressional Research Service .

Why don't you try and Google up some reliable sources that support your view?

44 posted on 11/15/2013 11:37:37 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: DoodleDawg

the tenth amendment covers the fact they don’t explicitly say they can remove them. all unenumerated powers retained by the state and the people.


45 posted on 11/15/2013 11:38:18 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: okie01

whether i like heritage has nothing to do with the discussion. or if i like the color blue.


46 posted on 11/15/2013 11:40:09 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
the tenth amendment covers the fact they don’t explicitly say they can remove them. all unenumerated powers retained by the state and the people.

Actually the Constitution is quite explicit. Article I, Section 5 says each house of Congress is responsible its proceedings, punishing its members, and, with a two thirds vote, expelling a member. Clearly removing a member of Congress is a power delegated to the United States by the Constitution and not to the states themselves.

47 posted on 11/15/2013 12:35:49 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Secret Agent Man
whether i like heritage has nothing to do with the discussion. or if i like the color blue.

I thought this discussion had to do with the feasibility of mounting a recall effort against McCain, not with your color preferences.

The fact is that such an effort is not feasible -- on constitutional grounds -- regardless of what you might personally want to believe.

If you want to remove the senile cretin from the Senate, it must be by his retirement, expulsion, death...or defeating him at the polls.

48 posted on 11/15/2013 1:55:17 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: DoodleDawg

That is just a stated remedy IF Congress decides to act. That doesn’t mean states can’t have their own remedy.

It’s like if the guy commits a capital crime, it can be both a federal crime as well as a state crime and he can be prosecuted at both levels, or at one or the other, if one decides not to prosecute. It happens all the time that the feds convict in federal court, then the state gets them and convicts them in state court. Sometimes the feds pass and the state prosecutes, soemtimes the state passes and the feds prosecute.

There are state level remedies and federal level remedies. Article 1 section 5 just spells out what redress Congress can do. It doesn’t limit what the states can do, as the Constitution clearly says that the states are in charge of their own election laws, and each states’ election laws are where any recall language is included, if they have that in their state law.

We can agree to disagree, I don’t really care. I just think it could be possible.


49 posted on 11/15/2013 2:43:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: okie01
Waste of time.

No, he must be shamed ( I know that is harsh and borderline dysfunctional ) and made to feel like he is a minister without portfolio.

These elitist snobs in the Senate need to really see how we feel about them even if it is only symbolic.

He gets a petition that says 250k, or 500k or a 1 million people have no confidence in him, maybe he'll get the hint and resign. Ditto that Hatch, McConnell, and insert any other name....

50 posted on 11/15/2013 2:50:44 PM PST by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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