Posted on 11/19/2013 9:12:32 AM PST by Kaslin
My husband always thought it was Lady Bird, who had Kennedy killed. I never liked LBJ especially after the war on poverty reform
...and he would have been correct!
I am sorry, but you are incorrect. Nixon did, in fact, end the Vietnam war, and left the country in control of the South Vietnamese.
Most of us Vietnam vets who were in the Army in 1972 voted for Nixon. You are correct.
Somebody has talked.
The point is no one died in Watergate, unlike Fast and Furious and Benghazi
Anyone who questions the official account given to us by our betters in authority is a flaming nutter and you must angrily denounce and mock them. Never, ever question authority. Only ‘murka hating hating commie nazis question authority. You’re not a ‘murka hating commie nazi, are ya?!
You are comparing the post JFK/post 1960s Nixon to the old Nixon.
JFK changed America forever, and irreversibly, shortly after his death the democrats implemented his immigration goal to replace the American voters.
Congress passed a law lowering the voting age to 18 in federal elections. That would have created a headache for the states if citizens older than 18 but not yet 21 could vote in federal elections but not in state or local elections, so Congress quickly passed an amendment lowering the voting age to 18--it was approved by Congress on March 23, 1971, and was ratified by 3/4 of the states by July 1, 1971, becoming the 26th amendment. The President has no role in a constitutional amendment.
I'm not suggesting the leftists did not precipitate all of this or are not at fault, or that we might have won, but the idea that we did win is a fable as is the idea that this was somehow a Nixonian triumph. There is no reason for us to pretend something happened that didn't.
Was Kennedy a great president? Not likely. Was he the last democrat president that wasn't an American hating socialist tool? Yes. Was Nixon actually any better considering what he did and enacted? I'm not certain.
I’ve always believed G. Gordon Liddy’s account: that it was nothing more than an attempt to recover compromising photos of a prostitute.
I agree. He was a Rockefeller republican who just happened to be from California. He’s also the first president to spend more than we brought in.
Yes. And I won’t even look at anything having to do with the Birth Certificate because I know that no one could get away with a forgery, because if anyone tried such a thing, everyone would see the evidence and rise up in outrage.
“Hes also the first president to spend more than we brought in”
I find that hard to believe.
It was over a year... August 1974 to April, 1975, and when Nixon was in office, the South Vietmanese held their own. It was after the 1974 Congressional Elections and all aid to South Vietnam was stopped by a hard left Democrat Congress that South Vietnam fell, and the choppers lifted off, a holocause began, and the boat people suffered and died.
Click here for the "Watergate Babies" who cheered for that holocaust. Many of those bastards are still in congress.
I can criticize Nixon for a lot of things. But I can't blame him for the fall of Vietnam. He lived up to his promises as long as he was in office.
I also am not sure that Kennedy would have done more harm than Nixon did with his other policies.
I never said we "Won" the war. What I said is that while Nixon was in office, after the Paris Peace Accords of 1973, South Vietnam was a functioning country albeit with a lot of financial and strategic support from us and more than holding their own against an aggressive enemy who had massive support from the Soviet Union.
When the new decidedly 'leftist' Congress after Watergate cut that aid and support, South Vietnam was alone and isolated with no hope of survival.
It was a crime in my opinion and yet there are still members of congress who are proud they allowed a holocaust in Vietnam and across S.E. Asia.
I still hate those bastards. I will till my dying breath.
As to what I would have done...
JFK... who knows, but my best guess is he would have screwed up as bad as Johnson because neither had a clue outside of domestic politics and both relied on the same incompetent foreign policy team.
LBJ... after the NVA violated the TET cease fire, I would have pulled all of our diplomats away from the phony Paris peace talks, sent another 100,000 ground troops in to wipe out the remaining NVA troops in S. Vietnam and Cambodia, bombed Hanoi into the stone ages and mined Haiphong harbor just as Nixon finally did 4 years later.
Nixon in 1969... see above.
We saw that incrementalism and Robert Strange McNamara's 'gradual' escalation are folly when it comes to war. You either fight to win, or you don't fight at all. (See Goldwater in 1964.)
Like I said, I do have issues with Pat's use of this example, it should never have been used.
Nixon in his eyes is somehow absolved of the wrong (and VERY unconservative) things he did, and Kennedy is his fall guy.
I have read that Kennnedy relied on Nixon about foreign policy issues, he was a counselor for him, and they were decent friends all things considered. They weren't that far apart in many ways. Kennedy was not the kind of democrat we have today, there is simply no way of knowing what he would have done. It's all conjecture, and guessing he would have been like Johnson is not helpful in the slightest.
Nixon had his good side, Kennedy had his bad side, it was a different era, both of them would be gagging just watching what the left has gotten away with since their time.
“Somebody has talked.”
I meant that it would have been a topic of conversation relatively soon after the event, as was Jackie O’s panicked attempt to climb out of the convertible over the trunk.
The media kept droning on about how brave she was, but there she was on film, her actions giving them the lie.
It seems to me that if LBJ had hit the deck, people would have seen it, and it would have gone viral, 1963 style.
I don’t remember that happening.
I believe Nixon was the first president to have a budget deficit. He spent a lot of money on EPA, OSHA and give away programs.
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