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Pelosi Now Open to Boehner's Piecemeal Immigration Refor
Newsmax ^ | 11/22/13 | Cathy Burke

Posted on 11/22/2013 6:54:45 AM PST by jimbo123

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To: kabar
RE :”What's your point? Are you trying to invalidate the substance of what she said because she is not running again? “

there is no substance there. She cited no sources(what she heard Rush say doesnt count) .
She is just auditioning for her next career as AM talk radio host.

21 posted on 11/22/2013 10:46:48 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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...but he wont without GOP majority support. So amnesty will die.

That's the hope, but it is not a fact. Boehner still is promising an immigration bill in this Congress. There are rumors that Boehner may not run in 2014. I don't trust Boehner or Cantor or Ryan or McCarthy or Goodlatte.

I find it truly ironic that Bohner was certain to bring a Senate CR to the floor and pass it with Pelosi votes, yet the delusional fantasy by many here was “Just keep those phone calls up and it wont happen’, when it was absolutely sure to happen.

Boehner has done it other times as well. He despises the Tea Party.

But here is a rare case where he vowed to not do what you claim he will, yet the *conventional*wisdom* seems to be the exact opposite of what he will do once again.

I am skeptical of his vow. So are Steve King and Lou Barletta who have said the same thing in meetings I have attended. The pressure from their corporate paymasters is enormous. This thing is far from dead.

22 posted on 11/22/2013 10:50:57 AM PST by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

Bachmann is a member of Congress. She knows what is going on behind the scenes.


23 posted on 11/22/2013 10:53:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
RE :”...but he wont without GOP majority support. So amnesty will die.
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That's the hope, but it is not a fact. Boehner still is promising an immigration bill in this Congress.”

He says House will ‘take up immigration’.
He never said he will pass something that Democrats will accept/.
He NEVER said that at ALL.

What he said was he will only take up something that Republicans accept, completely different than saying what you imply.

It was a certaintly that he would pass a Senate CR to end a shutdown(many here play acted like it wasnt), but this is completely different.

24 posted on 11/22/2013 10:56:10 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: kabar

LOL, just like her *serious* run for POTUS

BAWHAHA


25 posted on 11/22/2013 10:56:51 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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RE :”Boehner has done it other times as well”

I dont recall what you were saying.

Did you join all those play acting as if Bohner would put up a Senate CR as long as we called him on phone?

Cos there were many dreamin that.

26 posted on 11/22/2013 10:59:20 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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He says House will ‘take up immigration’. He never said he will pass something that Democrats will accept/.He NEVER said that at ALL.

REUTERS – House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said he expects an overhaul of immigration rules to become law by the end of the year, but that the Senate’s version “doesn’t go far enough” to secure the U.S. border with Mexico or enforce the proposed new system.

“I’ve got real concerns about the Senate bill, especially in the area of border security and internal enforcement of the system. I’m concerned that it doesn’t go far enough,” Boehner, the top Republican in Congress, told ABC in an interview that aired on Tuesday.

Boehner added that reforming the nation’s immigration system was his top legislative priority this year.

“I think by the end of the year we could have a bill,” he told ABC. Asked if that bill would be one to also pass the Democrat-led Senate and be signed into law by President Barack Obama, Boehner said: “No question.”

Boehner did not answer a question on whether the House Republican version of the legislation would support a path to citizenship for 11 million undocumented workers already in the United States…

27 posted on 11/22/2013 11:34:07 AM PST by kabar
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Nice trick, you post no link or date on purpose because it was back in June, and you know the problem with that.

Well much water and bad vibes have passed since then:

I think by the end of the year we could have a bill,” he told ABC. Asked if that bill would be one to also pass the Democrat-led Senate and be signed into law by President Barack Obama, Boehner said: “No question.”(June 2013)

he was saying ‘No question that Reid will ignore any bill that I get passed by House”

28 posted on 11/22/2013 11:44:02 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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Will Boehner Violate the Hastert Rule for the Eighth Time?
29 posted on 11/22/2013 11:52:50 AM PST by kabar
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No, if he was going to do that then he would just pass the Senate bill as is, as Dems been asking him to.

Like he did the tax bill, and VAWA, and CR


30 posted on 11/22/2013 11:56:34 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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he was saying ‘No question that Reid will ignore any bill that I get passed by House”

That's what you would like him to say. Pelosi, Obama, Schumer, and Gutiérrez are all on record saying they can accept the piecemeal approach to immigration reform.

Wednesday, 20 Nov 2013 President Barack Obama said he would be willing to accept a series of immigration bills instead of a single piece of comprehensive legislation that overhauls immigration policy, so long as the outcome would be the same, according to The Wall Street Journal.

"If they want to chop that thing up into five pieces, as long as all five pieces get done, I don't care what it looks like," Obama said. "What we don't want to do is simply carve out one piece of it . . . but leave behind some of the tougher stuff that still needs to get done."

The Republican-controlled House ought to be dubious about Obama's piecemeal approach, said Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions, who voted "no" on the Senate bill.

"House members need to be on alert," Sessions said in a statement. "It's not step-by-step if the individual bills are combined into a comprehensive proposal in a backroom negotiation and delivered to the president's desk.

"Instead, the House must insist that enforcement is accomplished before advancing any other immigration bills," Sessions said.

Obama Would Support Piecemeal Approach to Immigration Reform

Reid will do whatever Obama tells him to do.

31 posted on 11/22/2013 12:04:58 PM PST by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

The Senate bill can’t be voted upon. It has never been sent over to the House because any member can blue-slip it and send it back to the Senate for revision to take out the appropriation and revenue language.


32 posted on 11/22/2013 12:06:41 PM PST by kabar
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RE :”Bohner was saying ‘No question that Reid will ignore any bill that I get passed by House”
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That's what you would like him to say. Pelosi, Obama, Schumer, and Gutiérrez are all on record saying they can accept the piecemeal approach to immigration reform. “

No, they are on record saying :”they can accept the piecemeal approach to immigration reform AS LONG AS IT INCLUDES PATH TO CITIZENSHIP”, which is dead in Senate when it doesnt.

So Obama gets nothing.

33 posted on 11/22/2013 12:08:42 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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RE :”The Senate bill can’t be voted upon. It has never been sent over to the House because any member can blue-slip it and send it back to the Senate for revision to take out the appropriation and revenue language.”

???? Be serial.

Bohner could if he wanted say here's a house bill, its identical to Senate bill but thats a pure coincidence, now lets all vote on it.

34 posted on 11/22/2013 12:11:03 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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Bohner could if he wanted say here's a house bill, its identical to Senate bill but thats a pure coincidence, now lets all vote on it.

June 27, 2013

Honorable John Boehner

Speaker of the House of Representatives

Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Mr. Speaker,

When the House of Representatives receives S. 744, I hereby request that you raise a point of order that the legislation violates the origination clause of the United States Constitution; that "all Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives."

Although there are other provisions in the bill which are in violation of the prerogatives of the House, the most obvious is section 2102 which requires the payment of certain taxes and forgives the payment of other taxes as a condition of receiving benefits under this legislation.

The Congressional Budget Office analysis of S. 744, dated June 18, 2013, on page 44 states in part that "enacting S. 744 would have a wide range of effects on federal revenues, including changes in collections of income and payroll taxes, certain visa fees that are classified as revenues, and various fines and penalties. Taken together, those effects would increase revenues by $459 billion over the 2014-2023 period, according to estimates by JCT and CBO." Therefore, I urge you to protect the origination clause and the intent of the Constitution by using the 'blue slip' to return S. 744 to the Senate.

I am grateful for your service to our nation in upholding the Constitution.

Warmest Regards,

Steve Stockman

35 posted on 11/22/2013 2:04:27 PM PST by kabar
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I think Boehner is more ignorant than Cantor. Cantor is taking orders. Boehner when he answered the question after the election it was not direct Hispandering. He has some delusion that he is going to solve it or that congress was too lazy.

Boehner told Bush his amnesty bill was a POS. What happened to that Boehner. Does he want play golf in middle Americanin peace while he helps fasttrack destruction?

Cantor’s Dream Act will not be enforcement first citizenship later.

Cantor’s bill will say illegals get immediate in state tuition and that will butt heads with GOP legislatures across the country.

The House leadership is working to gut Immigration laws passed by Utah, Arizona, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, SC and NC.

Jeff Sessions is leading the GOP senate to victory. It is not certain whether wimp McConnell will be there. Sessions is the safest GOP Senator.


36 posted on 11/24/2013 5:25:40 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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