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Pope Francis Is Wrong: Free Market Is Not A Tyrant
Investors Business Daily (Investors.com) ^ | 11-26-13 | IBD Editorial Staff

Posted on 11/27/2013 5:59:31 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright

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To: C. Edmund Wright; Lakeshark
I think this Pope, like a lot in the Catholic church, are redistributionists at heart.

When the supposed definition of "Catholic" extends to Pelousy and Biden, of course you're right about "redistributionists". IMHO, I don't believe it extends to Pope Francis however. Two good articles referring to the Pope's new encyclical "Evangelii Gaudium" (The Joy of the Gospel) put additional context to his statements. Evangelii Gaudium is "a clarion call for a decisive shift in the Catholic Church's self-understanding, in full continuity with the teaching of the Second Vatican Council, Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI." However, it has unfortunately been subjected to being "celebrated, or lamented, as if it were an Occupy Whatever position paper for a G-8 summit."

Weigel: Pope Francis the Revoutionary (sorry, WSJ subscription only)

Williamson: The Problem of Selfishness (at NRO and more about 0bama than Pope Francis)

For the record, I concur with Williamson as he points out ....

... the default Catholic position seems to be delegating economic justice to the state, under the mistaken theory that its ministers are somehow less selfish than are the men who build and create and trade for a living rather than expropriate. Strange that a man who labored under the shadow of Perón has not come to that conclusion on his own.

p.s. Happy Thanksgiving! No shopping!

81 posted on 11/29/2013 7:22:50 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Salvation; NYer
Catholic ping. Pope Francis encyclical ... Evangelii Gaudium.
82 posted on 11/29/2013 7:27:44 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
WILLIAMSON: "... the default Catholic position seems to be delegating economic justice to the state, under the mistaken theory that its ministers are somehow less selfish than are the men who build and create and trade for a living rather than expropriate. Strange that a man who labored under the shadow of Perón has not come to that conclusion on his own." ..and I think that agreeing with Williamson on that point makes it hard to take that WSJ editorial seriously. I may be a hard ass, but by the time somone is Pope, President, a netork anchor, or even a mere congressman, I think it's inexcusable not to understand basic economics, not to mention all of world history, which is that free enterprise has lifted more people out of poverty than charity, let alone Governments, ever can or will.
83 posted on 11/29/2013 8:41:53 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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[CATHOLIC CAUCUS]Evangelii gaudium 54 (“trickle-down economics”). Significant translation error...
84 posted on 11/29/2013 10:12:48 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

I saw that thread. Its argument is stupid.

“Let us assume that the original composition was Spanish:

54. En este contexto, algunos todavía defienden las teorías del «derrame», que suponen que todo crecimiento económico, favorecido por la libertad de mercado, logra provocar por sí mismo mayor equidad e inclusión social en el mundo.

Official English…

In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.

Over at the other post a commentator pointed out that the official English rendering of EG 54 makes Spanish “por si’ mismo” into “inevitably”, but that it really means “by itself”.

Let’s swap in the “by itself” and read it again.”

So it assumes a Spanish original, translates the seen English into the unseen Spanish “original”, then provides an alternate translation to the invented Spanish to claim the English translation is bad. That borders on insane. It theorizes an original that it doesn’t see, and then assumes the translation (which was seen) was bad.

Bottom line - the Vatican provided the translation, and it is sticking by that translation. There has been no retraction or updated translation from the Vatican. And yes, the Vatican CAN afford good Spanish to English translators. Given the uproar, there has been ample time for the Vatican to review the supposed original Spanish and correct any errors in their translation.


85 posted on 11/29/2013 10:43:00 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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