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Man Entering Homes & Changing Locks Claiming Legal Ownership (video)
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com ^ | Nov 26, 2013 | Austin Petersen

Posted on 11/27/2013 6:30:35 PM PST by Sheapdog

BUTLER COUNTY, OH - A Ohio family is out in the cold after coming home from caring for a sick family member they found that the locks on their house had changed and all their property missing. Robert Carr has been going around filing “quiet title” documents after learning about people that are abandoning their homes. Carr has been doing this to over a dozen homes, even filing seven cases in one day.

Carr sends teams of people out to locate homes that are empty at the time and then has them go in and change the locks. “I have a team of people who go out and I say make sure the house is empty. If it’s empty, change the locks,” said Carr. “When you abandon a property, bam, walk away from it, ‘I ain’t never coming back. I don’t want nothing to do with it,’ right? Somebody can come in, ‘Oh, mine,’” Carr says.

FBI agents investigating the activity said they’ve heard of this before. Special Agent Kevin Cornelius said, “They’ll come together as groups to receive training, how to conduct some of these schemes from a financial standpoint, to understand what they consider the common law and how they can use that common law for their sovereign purposes. I’m not familiar (with) any cases where it’s held up in court. I think that it holds up the process of the court’s decision.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; home; invasion; theft

1 posted on 11/27/2013 6:30:35 PM PST by Sheapdog
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To: Sheapdog

I’d shoot the bastid.


2 posted on 11/27/2013 6:35:58 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Sheapdog

This guy has done this to like a dozen people! Maybe he steals everything and then takes over the house! How is this possible in America! The courts and the system are to some degree on this f-ers side.


3 posted on 11/27/2013 6:36:16 PM PST by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: Sheapdog

I don’t know about Ohio, but here in Texas it is commonly referred to as “burglary of a habitation” and punishable by 10 years in prison if you don’t get shot.


4 posted on 11/27/2013 6:40:24 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Sheapdog
If these sort of takings were valid, then on single person would be able to own a home. Or else that person would have to never leave the home, or have to pay someone to be there whenever he/she was gone.

Why aren't these people automatically arrested when they appear in court? They are basically admitting they are thieves!

5 posted on 11/27/2013 6:41:00 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Sheapdog

In Minnesota he would need to occupy it uninterrupted for 15 years to have a chance at it under the adverse possession laws. He would be trespassing, and he would be guilty of theft of the possessions therein, at a minimum.

There are those that believe that since all laws are unjust, they needn’t follow any of them, but of course they make up their own laws to suit themselves.


6 posted on 11/27/2013 6:41:25 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Sheapdog

So if I and another person or to decide what I think is common law this has standing in a US court? That seems to be what this FBI guy is implying? A few people can now just be a community and a law unto itself? confused? Oh, those bees YT’s laws.


7 posted on 11/27/2013 6:41:38 PM PST by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: Sheapdog
“I have a team of people who go out and I say make sure the house is empty. If it’s empty, change the locks,” said Carr.

And how, exactly, do they "make sure the house is empty?" Do they steal all the possessions, and then, "Yep, it's empty!"? Criminal. Because the people in the article said they came back "to find all their possessions missing."

8 posted on 11/27/2013 6:42:26 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Sheapdog

Sounds like what the leftists have done to America.


9 posted on 11/27/2013 6:45:02 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Sheapdog

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_title

Clears up a lot.

If you find your locks changed and it is your house and you live there, you simply break in to your own house and change them back, after calling the cops of course, to report the vandalism.


10 posted on 11/27/2013 6:50:32 PM PST by cuban leaf
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11 posted on 11/27/2013 6:53:46 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Sheapdog

It’s a sob story.

The home is being foreclosed on. These guys are not taking the home from the person that lives there. They are trying to take the home from the bank that is foreclosing and, in the process, effectively evicting the people.

It’s sleazy, but not as sleazy as it sounds.


12 posted on 11/27/2013 6:59:13 PM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Sheapdog

How long was this family gone ???

In Oct I went to Europe for a month..

When I left my house was full of furniture, possessions, the electric amnd water and phone connected etc..

When I got back last week I could have found all my stuff stolen and the locks changed and someone else owning my house ???

Eh ???

what would have happened next if upon discovering I was dispossed, if I had broken a window, got inside, called a lock changer, and taken back my house ???

who would be the criminal ???


13 posted on 11/27/2013 7:01:59 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sheapdog

Bastard needs a new free (for him) home: Levenworth.

PS In Texas, if I find them in my home at night, I can legally kill them. Hope it happens to them.


14 posted on 11/27/2013 7:06:01 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Sheapdog

12 gauge slugs should expedite eviction.


15 posted on 11/27/2013 7:09:18 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: muir_redwoods

Some people need killing.


16 posted on 11/27/2013 7:12:18 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

So what if you go to work in the morning and when you come home the locks are changed and the house is empty ?


17 posted on 11/27/2013 7:18:18 PM PST by staytrue
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To: cuban leaf
It’s sleazy, but not as sleazy as it sounds.

Yes, it is.

18 posted on 11/27/2013 7:18:24 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: muir_redwoods

And bill his family for the new carpet.


19 posted on 11/27/2013 7:29:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cuban leaf

Yes it is.


20 posted on 11/27/2013 7:30:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sheapdog

In Ohio we have “Castle Doctrine” and if I were ever to find some asshole had done this I`d pick his lock or drill it out, replace it with my new lock, call the police to report the burglary, then wait for the creep to show up. When he tries to break in again I`d shoot him dead under Ohio`s Castle Doctrine as a home intruder.


21 posted on 11/27/2013 7:33:35 PM PST by nomad
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To: Sheapdog

Locate the asshole. Administer a Copper coated Lead enema the and problem is solved, aside from our hostile government


22 posted on 11/27/2013 7:34:24 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Sheapdog

Its called adverse possession and isn’t as simple as changing the locks. Changing the locks will get you shot or jailed for a felony if you’re lucky.


23 posted on 11/27/2013 7:34:52 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cuban leaf

If the foreclosure is in process then the home belongs to the people, not the bank. The bank simply has a lien.

Its even more sleazy then it sounds.


24 posted on 11/27/2013 7:36:10 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I hate to say it, but yeah, this guy’s going to get Second Amendment’ed if he keeps it up.


25 posted on 11/27/2013 7:41:07 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Sheapdog

In California ALL property transfers have to be handled on paper in specific formats. . . no just seizing of properties, even by lien holders. Titles have to be clear. This would NOT stand up in any court. There is a legal title that involves the lien holders and someone who merely changes the locks and squats cannot insert himself I between the owner and the lien holder because he thinks the property seems to be “vacant.”


26 posted on 11/27/2013 7:42:25 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Sheapdog

It seems at least twice times a day now I read something and say, “Another good reason I moved to small town in the sticks where no one bothers with such antics.”

It’s amazing how many potential problems I don’t have to think about.


27 posted on 11/27/2013 7:52:03 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Yup. I live in a vast metropolis of about 150.


28 posted on 11/27/2013 8:00:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: pogo101
I hate to say it, but yeah, this guy’s going to get Second Amendment’ed if he keeps it up.

You may hate to say it, but it doesn't mean you can't look forward to it.

29 posted on 11/27/2013 8:02:25 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: driftdiver

It puts the buyer in a position of paying for a house they can’t live in while some scumbag occupies it. The bank isn’t getting paid and the buyer’s credit is screwed if he walks away.

In the end it costs all of us in the form of higher rates and court costs.


30 posted on 11/27/2013 8:04:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sheapdog

More BS from another Marxist/libertine whoresite.

Oh, look. You, as a fake libertarian, can go trespass onto private property and sit your thieving Marxist ass down on the couch, claiming ownership because you set your ass down on someone’s property.

This is so stupid.


31 posted on 11/27/2013 8:08:07 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Sheapdog

Is this someone operating on the “Freeman on the land” bs that’s on the web?


32 posted on 11/27/2013 8:17:30 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: cuban leaf

I think you’ve told us quite a bit about your morality.


33 posted on 11/27/2013 8:17:56 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Sheapdog

The more common scenario that I’ve seen has involved crooks like this then renting out the property to innocent third parties, and then collecting the rent until those innocent victims can be evicted by the owner.


34 posted on 11/27/2013 8:20:48 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Well, adverse possession does exist in Texas and my grandfather's family was a victim of it. The old family 160 acre farm was vacant for some years and squatters moved in and claimed it under the adverse possession rules. Fortunately, we were able to fight it somewhat successfully and retain the mineral rights to the property, which are now leased to an oil company.

Here are particulars:Adverse possession rules are specific for a reason. As the Texas Supreme Court has stated, the adverse possession "doctrine itself is a harsh one, taking real estate from a record owner without express consent or compensation." Tran v. Macha, 213 W.W.3d 913, 914 (Tex. 2006). The statute sets forth rules and conditions under which the doctrine applies, and these must be conclusively met. Close enough is not good enough. In the event adverse possession is litigated, all issues become questions of fact to be decided by the court.

35 posted on 11/27/2013 8:29:44 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: Swordmaker

Hmmm...I found out recently that my late father had been paying the property taxes on 10 vacant acres that has a title in someone else’s name. Dad purchased the property 40-years ago.

I live a thousand miles away and have to take action. But what kind of action? Do you know?

Can I go to a title company and will they straighten it out?

I have no bill of sale for real property from 40-years ago, except for evidence we’ve been paying the property taxes.


36 posted on 11/27/2013 8:33:00 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: staytrue

Did your wife hire the moving van?


37 posted on 11/27/2013 8:47:13 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Bubba_Leroy

That’s because TX is one of the few remaining bastions of sanity in America.

In ME, that guy would just disappear in the middle of the night.


38 posted on 11/27/2013 9:41:44 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

NOtice the guy’s color.....remember what the AG said...


39 posted on 11/27/2013 9:42:44 PM PST by Rca2000
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To: LachlanMinnesota

Most places, you need to pay taxes on it for X amount of time and also utilize it...


40 posted on 11/27/2013 9:53:37 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: SatinDoll
Can I go to a title company and will they straighten it out?

It sounds to me that your dad may have bought the acreage on a contract for deed but neglected to record the deed when he finished paying for it. In that type of sale, the original owner holds the title until the contract is completed, I.e., paid off, then the deed is transferred. You need to talk to an attorney who specializes in real estate in that state.

41 posted on 11/27/2013 10:09:53 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the info.


42 posted on 11/27/2013 10:42:00 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: coloradan

Someone needs to publish Carrs residence address. Should be in the court records.....


43 posted on 11/28/2013 1:07:09 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Sheapdog

Drill out his lock, wait for his thugs to come back and tell them they have two choices: cough up the cost of a lock and leave under their own power or be shot as intruders.


44 posted on 11/28/2013 5:01:52 AM PST by EternalHope13
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To: Sheapdog

He’s only doing the job the banks were planning to do. He just got there first. ;-)


45 posted on 11/28/2013 5:15:55 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: driftdiver

Its even more sleazy then it sounds.
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The right way is to identify a house that is currently in the foreclosure process and the people have moved out... find the owner , offer them a small amount as “cash for keys” and quit claim the title to yourself ,,, THEN move in, take over the foreclosure proceedings by filing a change of party-defendant and file quiet title ,, in 99% of the cases the foreclosing bank (if the loan was issued between 1998 and 2008) cannot show ownership as evidenced by any of their accounting.


46 posted on 11/28/2013 7:43:49 AM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

The difference being the banks have a legal and moral right to do it. He doesn’t


47 posted on 11/28/2013 7:53:00 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; businessprofessor
The difference being the banks have a legal and moral right to do it. He doesn’t

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Actually the banks DON'T have a right to the property , it has lost it's status as the security/colatteral due to the banks illegal actions ,, please read the $13B JPM/Chase settlement (for FRAUD) documents for clarification ... also any loan that went through Ginnie Mae cannot be legally foreclosed upon and that's 90%+ of them ...

Direct from the SEC .. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1109651/000087562606001708/b485pos.txt

Ginnie Maes are backed by the aggregate indebtedness secured by the underlying FHA-insured, FMHA-insured or VA-guaranteed mortgages and, except to the extent of funds received by the issuers on account of such mortgages, Ginnie Maes do not constitute a liability of nor evidence any recourse against such issuers, but recourse thereon is solely against GNMA. Holders of Ginnie Maes (such as the Trusts) have no security interest in or lien on the underlying mortgages.

48 posted on 11/28/2013 12:41:37 PM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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