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Mute Air Force veteran, 72, with advanced Alzheimer's shot dead by homeowner ...
The Daily Mail Online ^ | November 27, 2013 | Louise Boyle

Posted on 11/28/2013 5:45:24 AM PST by Uncle Chip

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To: Uncle Chip

I never said he could or couldn’t hear; I said the shooter may have told him to stop and implied the victim did not stop.

If you are approaching me at 4 AM I’m not going to ask you your name. I’m going to tell you to stop and put your hands up. I’d also tell you the police have been called.


61 posted on 11/28/2013 11:28:35 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

He rang his doorbell but was shot out in the yard.

He thus was not moving toward him but away from him.

As a civilian you don’t get to issue orders and then shoot someone because he didn’t obey you.

That gun does not come with a badge.

Heck even with a badge cops can’t even do that.


62 posted on 11/28/2013 11:47:00 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: trebb

It is highly doubtful that a typical suburban newleywed would be looking for a life to take in cold blood for the fun and experience of it.

It is dark. You are rousted out of sleep and you imagine the worst, that your house is being broken into. The adrenaline has to be pounding your heart. If you can’t see well in the dark, then you don’t know that the man is old or if he has a weapon. If you can’t tell he doesn’t have a weapon, then a person is going to be on edge to shoot just our of raw fear of being shot first.

We honestly don’t know the circumstances. After the story is published, we know all the facts. We don’t know what the home-owner saw or how dark and shadowed the situation was. The story is not well written. The elderly man rings the bell and tries the door knob yet is shot in the back yard. What happened in between?


63 posted on 11/28/2013 11:50:13 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Hey, if you were there and saw all this you should really go file a statement with the police.

Meanwhile, I hear what the biased anti-gun media said and I tend to take the media’s “facts” with a huge grain of salt.

So, did he really ask the guy’s name? Seems pretty strange. I’d still tell him to “stop.”


64 posted on 11/28/2013 11:53:39 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Uncle Chip

I forgot to add, the shooter now has to live with this bad shoot for the rest of his life. For the next decades, he is going to question himself and think, what could I have done differently? Why did I overreact? What cues did I miss? Did I panic? Was I rash?

He is probably going to find a yes answer to a lot of those questions. Charged or not, he has to live the rest of his life knowing he ended the life of an innocent man. I would be surprised if it doesn’t take some toll on him. Every neighbor knows it.

He is in for a lot of bad years.


65 posted on 11/28/2013 11:54:59 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

We honestly don’t know the circumstances. After the story is published, we know all the facts. We don’t know what the home-owner saw or how dark and shadowed the situation was. The story is not well written. The elderly man rings the bell and tries the door knob yet is shot in the back yard. What happened in between?


Finally, words of wisdom.

I disagree with the statement “after the story is published, we know all the facts.” A lot of people claim facts in the Zimmerman incident simply because the media published them even though they’ve been proven lies.


66 posted on 11/28/2013 11:56:25 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: chicagolady

That is why the media uses the victim’s veteran status. It is to demonize the gun owner as much as possible.


67 posted on 11/28/2013 11:57:03 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: spodefly

But we only learn it is a 72 years old man after the fact from reporting. Did the shooter know it was a 72 year old man? That is not clear, is it?

This happened at night in a rural area. Who says there was lighting to see the age or race or clothing or demeanor of the man wandering around? It is pretty hard to believe that a homeowner would shoot a 72 year old man if he had known it was a 72 year old man.

Add to this the fog of being wakened from sleep, your imagination fearing the worst, and adrenaline surging. I don’t give the shooter a pass. I wasn’t there.

I’m just reminding people here that knowing all these facts afterward does not mean the homeowner had access to all these facts in the dead of a dark night.


68 posted on 11/28/2013 12:01:03 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: BykrBayb

So now the homeowner is murdering disabled people in cold blood.

The hyperbole runs deep on FR.


69 posted on 11/28/2013 12:01:53 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

It wasn’t even his house.


70 posted on 11/28/2013 12:16:59 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Sad. RIP.


71 posted on 11/28/2013 12:27:08 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Uncle Chip

You’d know that better than the rest of us since you were an eyewitness. Please don’t let me hold you; go to the police and make your statement.


72 posted on 11/28/2013 12:32:09 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Unlike you I actually read the articles posted here.


73 posted on 11/28/2013 12:33:34 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

The only they’re missing from the Liberal talking points is a “racist” angle.

The death of the old man is sad. The speculation and immediate “Niphonging” by people on this website isn’t quite as sad; but damn it they’re trying.


74 posted on 11/28/2013 12:34:06 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Uncle Chip

Unlike you I actually read the articles posted here.


And the media NEVER misleads or outright lies, right? I mean MSNBC never doctored the phone call made by George Zimmerman.

Sheep.


75 posted on 11/28/2013 12:36:28 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“It is highly doubtful that a typical suburban newleywed...”

No that it makes a difference, but fiance and newlywed are not the same thing.


76 posted on 11/28/2013 1:07:42 PM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

From a longer news article at post #48:

“There was no light except for the front porch light,” Wilson said, explaining there are no street lights at The Woodlands, the subdivision off North Marble Top Road west of Chickamauga.

“[Hendrix] gave several what he described as verbal commands,” Wilson said. “[Westbrook] continued walking toward him after he told him to stop.”

Westbrook was slow to talk, Wilson said, because of his advanced Alzheimer’s disease.

Fearing for his safety, Hendrix fired four shots, the sheriff said. One bullet hit Westbrook in the chest, killing him.


77 posted on 11/28/2013 1:33:12 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Try reading the post I was replying to, instead of ASSuming I was talking about something else.


78 posted on 11/28/2013 1:36:33 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

They should demonize idiots.

The idiot just HAPPENED to be a gun owner.


79 posted on 11/28/2013 2:11:14 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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