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Chilling moment police decide to shoot dead mental patient armed with scissors ....
The Daily Mail Online ^ | November 29, 2013 | Alex Ward

Posted on 11/29/2013 7:24:42 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Police admitted that the fatal shooting of a mental patient armed with scissors could have been prevented if the road sergeant equipped with a Taser had been at the scene in time.

Michael Eligon, 29, was walking toward police with the weapon and a ‘blank stare’ when he was shot three times by an officer in Toronto, an inquest heard.

A chilling video of the dramatic shooting shown to the inquest captured Mr Eligon’s last moments as he walked toward police who had their guns drawn and yelled ‘drop it’ on February 3 last year.

Under cross examination, Constable Scott Walker told the inquest that a Taser would have been a lest lethal option of subduing Mr Eligon but that the sergeant carrying one was not on the scene at the time, according to the Toronto Sun.

Mr Eligon had escaped from Toronto East General Hospital, where he was being treated for depression, earlier that day wearing just socks and his hospital gown.

The police hunt for Mr Eligon began after he stole two pairs of scissors from a convenience store, stabbing the attendant in the hand as he tried to stop the escapee....

Police finally found him wandering down Milverton Boulevard in East York and surrounded him with guns drawn....

Unperturbed, Mr Eligon continues towards police, who back away until one officer backs into a parked car.

As Mr Eligon advances to within four to six feet of the policemen, Constable Andrew Boyd screamed ‘shoot him’ and one officer obliges, firing three shots. Mr Eligon crumples to the ground....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; lawenforcement; mentalillness; toprotectandserve; toronto
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How many constables are required to take down a mental patient armed with a pair of scissors.
1 posted on 11/29/2013 7:24:42 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Where guns are banned, the most unusual things become deadly weapons!


2 posted on 11/29/2013 7:26:23 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Uncle Chip

What, they didn’t have time to bring in the SWAT team and choppers?


3 posted on 11/29/2013 7:28:08 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Uncle Chip

O.O Why would they shoot him if he was already dead?! >.<


4 posted on 11/29/2013 7:28:21 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: Uncle Chip

If he was dead, what’s the point. Target practice?


5 posted on 11/29/2013 7:30:05 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Uncle Chip
As long as the cops got to go home *safe* that night. Their job is so dangerous.


6 posted on 11/29/2013 7:31:47 AM PST by Daffynition (*$17,000,000,000,000* Fear the beards! GO SOX!)
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To: Uncle Chip

I remember with Rodney King and many saying if only they had a net in the trunk to throw over him.

You deal with what you got IMO, and here you had a guy with scissors going after the police. (bad move)

That is like coming after the police (or any one else) with a knife. If the police would have not gotten this guy and the person went after some innocent person who with a scissors, then what?

Tragic, but I get this one so far.


7 posted on 11/29/2013 7:32:36 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Apparently cops don’t carry nightsticks anymore. Or possibly are not trained to use them. I suspect a person well-trained in such use is more than a match for the average nut with a pair of scissors.


8 posted on 11/29/2013 7:33:15 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Uncle Chip

A scissor stab wound can bleed like one from the old three point bayonets. You can’t close it up well.


9 posted on 11/29/2013 7:35:51 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: A CA Guy
I remember with Rodney King and many saying if only they had a net in the trunk to throw over him.

Little-known fact. LAPD experimented with nets, sometime prior to the RK case. ACLU sued to prevent use, on basis that use of nets was demeaning or otherwise a violation of human rights.

Personally, I think a net would be a whole lot less painful and damaging than even a Taser, much less clubs or bullets. But I suspect the problem is the "treating like an animal" image, particularly when applied to protected minority groups.

So we deny the cops truly non-violent and low-harm methods and force them to use methods of controlling violent people that are inherently more dangerous.

10 posted on 11/29/2013 7:37:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Bikkuri
--O.O Why would they shoot him if he was already dead?--

Zombie?

11 posted on 11/29/2013 7:39:25 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Bikkuri

Especially when they were armed with scissors....??


12 posted on 11/29/2013 7:39:37 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Apparently cops don’t carry nightsticks anymore. Or possibly are not trained to use them. I suspect a person well-trained in such use is more than a match for the average nut with a pair of scissors.”

True, but psychotics can be noted for their extreme strength and difficulty to subdue. To say nothing if he was on any drugs to boot.

Not worth getting a nasty stab wound over in my opinion. All it takes is a lucky lunge into the mid-section.


13 posted on 11/29/2013 7:39:53 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Uncle Chip

14 posted on 11/29/2013 7:47:52 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Everyone is focused on the wrong thing.

The police officers got to go home safely to their families that evening.

Nothing else is of consequence.


15 posted on 11/29/2013 7:50:48 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: headstamp 2

I think these constables need to get some training re scissors at their nearest grade school kindergarten class.


16 posted on 11/29/2013 7:53:01 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Chilling moment police decide to shoot dead mental patient armed with scissors ....

Why did they shoot him if he was already dead? Bad headline writer syndrome.

17 posted on 11/29/2013 7:55:42 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: headstamp 2

Yeh, except for the time I watched from under a bar table while a skinny, near retirement cop walked up to a crazy 280# redneck who was waving a bowie knife and disarmed him with a baton. The cop did break the guys arm, but didn’t choose to kill him.

Of course, the cop had walked the length of the Korean peninsula, twice, in his youth. And since he wasn’t a coward he would have been ashamed to kill someone unnecessarily.

Modern cops are trained to be cowards or start out that way in many cases. And no, going home safely is not their most important goal. If it is, what do we need them for? They can just STAY home and the citizens will handle it.


18 posted on 11/29/2013 7:56:42 AM PST by Rifleman
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To: Uncle Chip

They used to lock up crazy folks. Now they leave them in homeless splendor on the streets. Things like this are going to happen.

At least this crazy guy isn’t going to have any more victims.


19 posted on 11/29/2013 7:57:31 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Uncle Chip

They just need to outlaw the private ownership of scissors and make it a crime to even steal them without a permit/S


20 posted on 11/29/2013 8:00:12 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Why did they shoot him if he was already dead? Bad headline writer syndrome.

Someone needs to take a scissors to that headline -- if they dare.

21 posted on 11/29/2013 8:01:32 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Balding_Eagle

To protect & serve.

hmmm...


22 posted on 11/29/2013 8:05:12 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: mongo141
They just need to outlaw the private ownership of scissors

That would certainly eliminate all the cut-outs, cut-ups, and cut-ins in school.

23 posted on 11/29/2013 8:06:50 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
no nightsticks up there eh???
24 posted on 11/29/2013 8:12:47 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Sherman Logan

I thought the exact same thing ! Many ways to disarm the poor guy, why the hell shoot him.


25 posted on 11/29/2013 8:13:28 AM PST by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: Uncle Chip

Personally, I don’t expect the police to take a stabbing. You can stab someone in the neck and kill them.


26 posted on 11/29/2013 8:14:03 AM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Bikkuri

Beat me to it- that was a headline?


27 posted on 11/29/2013 8:16:10 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: stinkerpot65

You can also bite someone in the neck and kill him.

If over a half dozen constables can’t disarm a lone mental patient carrying only a pair if scissors, then Toronto is in deep trouble.


28 posted on 11/29/2013 8:23:45 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Wild-eyed nutcase coming at me with scissors? A nutcase who has already stabbed someone? I’d certainly be putting a bullet in his brain, so I’m hardly going to complain about some cop doing it.


29 posted on 11/29/2013 8:24:35 AM PST by greene66
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To: Uncle Chip

According to the headline, he was already dead.


30 posted on 11/29/2013 8:31:56 AM PST by pfflier
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To: PAR35

I guess “depression” is the PC term for “bat-shit crazy” these days.


31 posted on 11/29/2013 8:34:44 AM PST by alley cat
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To: A CA Guy

Really? Three cops (presumably with clubs) couldn’t take down one guy with scissors?

OTOH, I suppose someone could have recorded the last 30 seconds of the “police beating down a mental patient” ala Rodney King. Much safer just to shoot him.


32 posted on 11/29/2013 8:45:59 AM PST by Hugin ( More firepower!)
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To: A CA Guy

“If the police would have not gotten this guy and the person went after some innocent person who with a scissors, then what?”

If you actually believe that, I feel very sorry for you!


33 posted on 11/29/2013 8:49:23 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Uncle Chip

wow, and he wasn’t even running


34 posted on 11/29/2013 9:09:03 AM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

They got to go home to their families and tell them that they shot a mental patient who was carrying scissors.

“I was really scared. I couldn’t move out of the way. Killing him was the only option. I feel better now knowing that he is dead and I’m not. I was able to come home to my family. Aren’t you glad?”


35 posted on 11/29/2013 9:27:52 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: headstamp 2; Sherman Logan

Night sticks are what got the LAPD in trouble over Rodney King.


36 posted on 11/29/2013 9:39:26 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether the majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: A CA Guy
I remember with Rodney King and many saying if only they had a net in the trunk to throw over him.

No one was going to get a net over that tall mass of prison muscle, but people forget that the highway patrolwoman was getting ready to shoot him, as her highway patrol partner and husband watched, when the LAPD intervened and probably saved his life.

37 posted on 11/29/2013 10:00:04 AM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee-JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: bill1952

Must be the ‘Brit’ English interfering with their ‘English’ journalism (dialects ;^D)

(/s)


38 posted on 11/29/2013 10:04:33 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: JPG

Must be.. we need to arm up, start landing sandbags, and get ready!


39 posted on 11/29/2013 10:05:20 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: Cvengr

Like JPG said.. must be zombies >.< ;)


40 posted on 11/29/2013 10:06:01 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: bill1952

BTW.. had to do a triple-take on the headline.. wish I had a GIF for that :p


41 posted on 11/29/2013 10:07:39 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: Uncle Chip

“I was at the mall and I bought these scissors, cuz I need hair cut and those guys shot me dead.”


42 posted on 11/29/2013 10:08:57 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Sherman Logan

exactly whatever happened to nightsticks?

One whack on the wrist and the scissors are on the floor.


43 posted on 11/29/2013 10:10:21 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: midway1

Because they could.


44 posted on 11/29/2013 10:11:49 AM PST by sport
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To: alley cat

You need to take it the next step - it was probably the medication that caused the incident. So if you want to blame someone, blame the doctors.

But the conclusion remains - if he’d been locked up, none of this would have happened.


45 posted on 11/29/2013 10:14:17 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Uncle Chip

Let’s be honest, what would any of us do if a mental patient approached one of us with a pair of scissors especially if they had just stabbed another person?


46 posted on 11/29/2013 10:16:03 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Chode

night sticks, plus video cameras equal lawsuits. And it’s getting where tasers equal law suits. The cops really are smarter to shoot first.

Although the idiots in Dallas who gunned down the guy in cold blood and then lied about it need to be in prison. It will be interesting to see what the liberal democrat DA does with that one in an election year.


47 posted on 11/29/2013 10:18:00 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Hardastarboard

We (When I was a Deputy) never carried PR24s-nightsticks).. We DID have to get Pepper-Sprayed before we could carry that though :p and ASPs were just coming out when I left (and came here).. so no idea what training there is/was for that.

From what I see here on FR, not sure I would want to be an Officer anymore :/


48 posted on 11/29/2013 10:19:05 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: GeronL
exactly whatever happened to nightsticks?

Lawyers.

49 posted on 11/29/2013 10:19:06 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
i heard that...
50 posted on 11/29/2013 10:22:09 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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