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The health care reality conservatives ignore
CNN ^ | Nov 29, 2013 | Paul Waldman

Posted on 12/01/2013 4:49:10 PM PST by Innovative

The basic conservative position is that the more you let market forces operate, the better the outcome will be. "More markets" is the answer to everything: Let people buy insurance across state lines. Make it virtually impossible to sue for medical malpractice. Create more health savings accounts.

But where do you think the problems of America's health care system came from? It wasn't government that gave us nearly 50 million uninsured Americans and denials for pre-existing conditions.

Every one of our peer nations has a system with more government control than ours, ranging from almost completely socialized systems like Great Britain's to ones like those in Switzerland and the Netherlands, which resemble Obamacare but with tighter regulation.

The Affordable Care Act can certainly be improved. But in health care -- to paraphrase Ronald Reagan -- the free market isn't the answer to our problems. It is the problem.

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KEYWORDS: conservatives; healthcare; obama; obamacare
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Just shows you how the liberal mind works... it doesn't. It willfully ignores reality.
1 posted on 12/01/2013 4:49:10 PM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative
Paul Waldman is a contributing editor at The American Prospect and the author of "Being Right Is Not Enough: What Progressives Must Learn From Conservative Success."

To make a long story short, he's a loopy commie lib.

2 posted on 12/01/2013 4:54:09 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my health insurance policy?)
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“To make a long story short, he’s a loopy commie lib.”

And this article is an excellent example of it.


3 posted on 12/01/2013 4:55:29 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

It’s good to get the straw man set up in the first paragraph like that. If he waited, his liberal audience might get confused.


4 posted on 12/01/2013 4:56:22 PM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Innovative

Nice try CNN, but it is the government created entitlement mentality that’s given us the mess that both healthcare and the larger economy are today.

Free market drive to succeed for one’s own benefit is the only reason we have left what we do.


5 posted on 12/01/2013 4:58:09 PM PST by ToastedHead
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It wasn't government that gave us nearly 50 million uninsured Americans and denials for pre-existing conditions. …
Yes it was. Even Wikipedia can’t deny that FDR’s wage controls resulted in the rise of the morass of employer healthcare, just for starters.
6 posted on 12/01/2013 5:00:06 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Innovative

This guy lives in a fact free zone. ie he’s a lib.


7 posted on 12/01/2013 5:00:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: cdcdawg

Initial coverage of preexisting conditions is like allowing people to buy home insurance AFTER their house burned down, then expect the insurance company to fully compensate them for their loss.

Obamacare is making big thing about covering preexisting conditions, but that is a one-time thing, then everyone will be obligated to buy insurance, and not what is appropriate for them, such as catastrophic insurance for young people, but a full comprehensive one, that Obama tells you that you should have.


8 posted on 12/01/2013 5:02:32 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

The real problem is that it is not affordable. Should be called the “Prohibitively Expensive Act”.


9 posted on 12/01/2013 5:05:32 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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and here is the Number One Problem with Liberals::

“Every one of our peer nations”

WE HAVE NO PEER NATIONS, America Stands Alone in the fight for FREEDOM.


10 posted on 12/01/2013 5:07:07 PM PST by eyeamok
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Wow. I never see synthetic plagiarism from intellectual sieves who rely mental crutches.


11 posted on 12/01/2013 5:07:34 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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“Concierge” Health Care is the wave of the future (and really just a throwback to the 50’s).


12 posted on 12/01/2013 5:11:08 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Innovative

This article is just a bunch of lies.


13 posted on 12/01/2013 5:14:41 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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"synthetic plagiarism from intellectual sieves who rely on mental crutches"

Lol. Excellent analogy gymnastics.

14 posted on 12/01/2013 5:16:16 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: Innovative

That’s exactly right—no concept of reality.

Website broken or not is not the issue. It still remains a plan where one man pays for another. The point blank definition of Marxist. Millions will have their plans recancelled a year from now—those whose states complied. Many are already out of luck. Premiums will skyrocket. I have gotten many comments back asking where my proof is? The millions who are already paying higher premiums. The millions of cancellations—or soon to be. The fact the man lied—on tape. And the employer mandate hasn’t hit yet which is where the other large boot falls right on the American head. Now if you’re one of the parasites feeding off of us producers I’m sure you will defend ACA. As welfare receipients will defend welfare. Because that is the parasite mentality and there is no point even commenting back. Many argue that the healthcare system is broken—prior to ACA. With premiums and monopolies. They would be correct. And frankly neither party will address the real issues. But telling one man to pay for another is not the answer—it’s Marxism no matter how you try to spin that it is not. My fiction may become a reality as it did based on my avid research in history of 1917—Russia.

Charles Hurst. Author of THE SECOND FALL. An offbeat story of Armageddon. And creator of THE RUNNINGWOLF EZINE. A true conservative’s weekly.


15 posted on 12/01/2013 5:16:54 PM PST by Charles Hurst Author
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To: Innovative

They are retreating from Obamacare and trying to shift the argument back to the opposition.

This should have been done years ago before they crammed the law through and down the throats of Americans.

Unfortunately, the republicans are stupid and don’t know how to counter this.

The conservatives should counter that we have the finest and most advanced healthcare system in the world which is being demolished by fantasy preachers of universal utopia.


16 posted on 12/01/2013 5:25:42 PM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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Govt has been involved in health care for decades. you could say we already had a partially socialized system. And this is exactly why costs were high.

Drive govt out and costs will fall once again.


17 posted on 12/01/2013 5:25:58 PM PST by what's up
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“It wasn’t government that gave us nearly 50 million uninsured Americans and denials for pre-existing conditions.”

Paul Waldman doesn’t know how to build a logical argument. Whose fault is that?

By definition you can not “insure” a pre-existing condition. You really need to focus on the health maintenance side of that. There’s no way to account for insuring something you know will happen without subsidy from another group. As to uninsured otherwise, setting mandates for minimum coverage does the opposite of making it affordable. So again, you need subsidies.

But Paul Waldman said it ain’t the government so it must not be!

Moron.


18 posted on 12/01/2013 5:26:52 PM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Hostage

Truth is...it wouldn’t have mattered what repubs said.

People won’t believe till they experience. So now that they are getting hot maybe something will finally change.


19 posted on 12/01/2013 5:34:41 PM PST by what's up
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“peer nations”—Second time I’ve seen the phrase today. They must have stressed this at the meeting all the lib a$$ kissing ‘journalists’ attended last month.


20 posted on 12/01/2013 5:35:56 PM PST by pluvmantelo (Obamism=Chavism)
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