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Documents reveal British banned Geller and Spencer because of their ‘pro-Israeli views’
Daily Caller ^ | 12/2/13 | Pamela Geller

Posted on 12/02/2013 1:23:24 PM PST by Nachum

The British government tried to cover its tracks. But a new cache of documents Robert Spencer and I have received in our battle to overturn our being banned from Britain reveal that a chief reason why we were banned from the country was because we strongly support Israel. As part of our lawsuit against the Queen of England and the Home Secretary et al, we have received numerous documents between the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, the Office of Security and Counterterrorism, and the Home Secretary. In one of them, an official in the Foreign & Commonwealth Office whose name was redacted wrote this letter on May 7 to a recipient whose name was also redacted:

I have received initial feedback from Post to say that they do not expect that there would be any reaction from the US Administration to these exclusions.

We do have concerns with some of the reasoning in the sub, particularly citing pro-Israeli views and. [sic] Pro-Israeli views (and also support for waterboarding) apply to a large number of Americans, including former Presidents. If, for instance, Geller and Spencer were to request details of their exclusion under FOI/DPA or other mechanism, that being pro-Israeli is cited as a reason may be problematic and they could argue publically that their exclusion is on the basis of their support for Israel.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: documents; geller; israeli; views

1 posted on 12/02/2013 1:23:24 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Michael Savage too no doubt...


2 posted on 12/02/2013 1:27:47 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Nachum

What a shame for UK.


3 posted on 12/02/2013 1:36:17 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: GraceG

Lady Geller is probably safer here in the states, even in our present watered down level of strength. Mike Savage is still banned. I recall being very surprised that more conservative talkers were not sticking up for Mike a few years ago, when he became “Banned in Britian” due to so called hate speech against Muslims. Where was everybody on our side? Then I though about it, Mike “Savages” the characters and personal reputations of most other top conservative talkers. He’s notorious for being the obligatory contrarian, and saying negative things about his most competitive talk show peers. So when the day came that mike needed their unfettered support, the loudest sound was that of the crickets. That’s what you call Burning One’s Bridges, big time.


4 posted on 12/02/2013 1:38:51 PM PST by lee martell
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To: Nachum

Let’s see our British freepers defend this. I have only met Pam Geller once - and exchanged emails with her a lot - and I can say she is one kind-hearted, fine lady. Happily, in America, we don’t ban Ukip from coming here and talking. Pam hosts them on occasion.


5 posted on 12/02/2013 1:39:08 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Nachum

Regrettably, the current “Conservative” PM is indistinguishable from the Labour Party. Pro-gay-marriage and anti-Semitic, just like all the other leftists. And he swoons over Obama.


6 posted on 12/02/2013 1:39:57 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Nachum

As the U.K. Telegraph and other influential U.K. constituents did to Mark Steyn and Conrad Black.


7 posted on 12/02/2013 1:54:34 PM PST by familyop
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To: lee martell

You are very right. He never should have said all those things about his competitors.


8 posted on 12/02/2013 1:56:53 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Cicero

Mr. Cameron is much more interested in being P.M. than being conservative, in many ways he is less on our side than the previous Labour Party P.M. that at least was a friend of America instead of just being a friend of the occupant, go figure. shame on Cameron and his whole administration


9 posted on 12/02/2013 2:04:43 PM PST by munin (MSNBC?)
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To: Nachum
Thanks to the Daily Caller for publishing Pam Geller.

Her other Daily Caller articles are here:

http://dailycaller.com/author/pgeller/

10 posted on 12/02/2013 5:46:31 PM PST by TChad
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To: miss marmelstein

I wont defend the ban. Bad decision.

But I still think she is a loony-tune who talks an immense amount of crap.


11 posted on 12/03/2013 3:39:23 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: faithhopecharity

Its easy for Geller to say anything, easy for her to say ‘why’ she was banned. No impartial third source.

BTW, I thought the ban was wrong. Let her in, nobody would have taken any notice of her and she would have gone back to the US. The ban just made her a martyr.


12 posted on 12/03/2013 3:41:42 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Cicero

Cameron may be many things, but anti-Semitic he isn’t. He himself is part-Jewish, or didn’t you know that?.

As is the leader of the Labour Party (german jewish) and the Deputy PM (dutch jewish).


13 posted on 12/03/2013 3:43:24 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: familyop

Sorry, what are saying the UK has done to Mark Steyn and Conrad Black?. That they are banned, that there has been a campaign against them?.

Steyn isn’t banned here, in fact nobody has heard of him here bar Limeys like me who inhabit places like this.

And Black is a convicted cheat, BUT has managed to parlay that into a post-prison career as a celebrity, the man has even hosted an episode of the UK’s most popular weekly topical news comedy-quiz (Have I Got News For You, on BBC1).


14 posted on 12/03/2013 3:51:34 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Nachum

Read the article, and see the venom Geller now has for Tommy Robinson. This was the man that this woman hailed as the Second Coming just a few weeks ago.


15 posted on 12/03/2013 4:00:14 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Yeah? Some of us think you’re a bit of a looney tune, trolling the web all day in an attempt to correct Americans’ ‘misperceptions’ of the UK.

Pam Geller is ahead of the curve on Islam.


16 posted on 12/03/2013 4:38:23 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I am sorry I criticise your bestest chum Pammy, but I don’t like her. That’s my right. You like her, and that’s fine. Such is life in a free world.

And I don’t troll, I post, I talk about the UK and its issues. Just like you, just like vanders or madmitch or naturalman and other British/Irish/Anglophile freepers.

Troll?. Come on, I expect much better from you.


17 posted on 12/03/2013 4:42:29 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: lee martell

Lee, don’t you think they should have still spoken up? I’m not a fan of Savage but it was weird and creepy for him to be banned from speaking in the UK. Rush likes to travel to Europe on his vacations - and it’s entirely possible that he could be next.


18 posted on 12/03/2013 4:53:52 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: the scotsman

Oh, no you don’t. You’re still pissed off since I put down Bisto.

I’ll take it a step further: I think some of you UK guys cannot stand a certain type of American woman. You know, the highly verbal, highly regional types (Long Island and the Far West) like Geller and Palin. If I troll around the British newspapers - from the far left to the far right - the hatred towards Palin is beyond belief. I can’t even begin to think what they make of Geller!


19 posted on 12/03/2013 4:59:39 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: the scotsman

It could possibly be something else yes. Michael Savage is another fairly loud public speaker who UK government won’t let visit ( and his support for Israel is not nearly as consistent as Geller’s). Still, both of these people appear to be responsible citizens lacking any threat to UK like so many of the people UK let’s visit Or, for that matter, move in. ( USA suffers from its own open borders and inconsistencies of course. As does Israel. The enemy within is regrettably alive and well in all three. ( and several more) countries these date. And pointing it out can be viewed as. “ politically incorrect “ by those in charge. Not a good omen for our future.


20 posted on 12/03/2013 5:25:05 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: miss marmelstein

LOL, bisto. Yes, you are an evil b*tch for that, I will never forgive you!........lol

I don’t think British PEOPLE like East Coast people of either sex. We aren’t fond of Noo Yawk and Boston types. Or cocky Texans. We tend to like the quieter, more humble, respectful Midwesterners. In short, we like our Jimmy Stewarts and Henry Fondas more than we like our John Waynes and JR’s.

Palin?. I don’t dislike the woman, I just don’t rate her at all. A not too intelligent and none too impressive politician whom I think is nowhere near the experience, intelligence and gravitas needed to be a really good (Republican) President (mind you if the present incompetent can make it, anyone can). A VP, an administration member, but not President.

Still, I rate her much higher than I would Geller, whom I rate down at the same level as Debbie Schussel. And I read the latter for comedy value.


21 posted on 12/03/2013 8:20:08 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: faithhopecharity

Savage had never visited the UK and was never going to visit here, so its ironic that he plays up his banning.


22 posted on 12/03/2013 8:20:55 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Self-hating Jew? There are plenty of those around, especially in New York. I find that the sharp distinction between anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic is harder to draw than some people think, although that’s usually their excuse.

In any case, Cameron leans toward the Muslims whenever there’s an incident in the UK.


23 posted on 12/03/2013 8:35:07 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: the scotsman

I hear savage did have a visit planned. But either way he is naturally unhappy to be banned ( perhaps especially if he wasn’t even going to UK). And he carps about the ban to get it lifted. And it obviously is part of the promotion he does for his radio/ wireless program/me which thrives on topics like governmental (mis-) conduct and mistakes. ( We do know that some good people have cancelled or postponed visiting UK due to this. )


24 posted on 12/03/2013 8:40:53 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: the scotsman

Sigh...john wayne was a midwesterner...

Actually, in reading your post it is pretty clear you don’t like anyone in America - from sea to shining sea. (That is why I consider you a troll, by the way.) And you just confirm my none-to-original theory that both the left and right of Great Britain dislike - and always will - America.


25 posted on 12/03/2013 9:28:33 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I think I recall Sean Hannity talking about it for a few days, but there was no concerted push to make the public focus on the injustice. That incident was not handled the way Bashir’s ugly insult to Sarah has been handled. In this instance, I was pleased to see a few GOP big mouths open up and say the right things, although this could be stronger too. Mike Savage is a word master. If there was ever a 72 year old New York Jew who could Rap with credibility that would be Mike. Not that I want to give him ideas, I hate most rap. Mike knows how to needle and ridicule another talker in ways that hurt. People like Rush had probably had enough of Mike’s nipping at his heels decade in decade out.


26 posted on 12/03/2013 10:09:08 AM PST by lee martell
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To: miss marmelstein

Sigh, I was clearly referring to the TYPE of person.

I do like America and Americans (believe me I wouldn’t be here otherwise), a fact I have made clear numerous times. In fact I like America and Americans a great deal, however I dont think you are perfect or always right and I will say so if I wish to. If you wish to believe I don’t, that’s your prerogative. You’d be very wrong, and frankly I aint gonna jump through hoops to justify myself to you.

If I offend you that much, please put me on ignore. Or simply don’t read and respond to my posts.


27 posted on 12/03/2013 3:44:30 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: miss marmelstein

I stand up for my country. Something I will NEVER apologise for.


28 posted on 12/03/2013 3:46:15 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: miss marmelstein

Most British like America. Some don’t. Nobody said we have to like you, or you have to like us. If people don’t like America, meh, who really cares. Americans shouldn’t. Crack on and live your lives, let the haters stew in their hate.

Americans perhaps take too much stock in how the world thinks of them. Many didn’t like the British Empire, but they respected it.


29 posted on 12/03/2013 4:00:14 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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