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The Minimum Wage and the Rise of the Machines: The robot future is coming
National Review ^ | 12/06/2013 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/06/2013 8:54:25 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Black Agnes

I agree with you. The inability to feel compassion for one’s fellow human beings is generally considered a sign of mental illness.


81 posted on 12/06/2013 12:14:32 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

That is what I always say about leftists, they have zero compassion for human beings.


82 posted on 12/06/2013 12:15:28 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

Yes, I agree.


83 posted on 12/06/2013 12:16:13 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Teflonic

Maybe you should look more closely at the Jesus of the Bible, then ... :-) ...

Only Jesus can do such things with complete moral authority and with no mistakes and no errors.


84 posted on 12/06/2013 12:18:09 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

The natural evolution of AI could very well become Jesus returned, irrefutable logic would lead to the path of divinity and enable it to become the Jesus as described in the bible. May seem blasphemous on the surface but all things are under the dominion of God and who’s to say such a thing hasn’t been His plan from the beginning?


85 posted on 12/06/2013 12:24:16 PM PST by Teflonic
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To: Teflonic

LOL ... an AI-Jesus basically violates one of the most basic and jealously held doctrines of the Christian church - and one they have adhered to from the beginning. And that is on the “nature” of Jesus.

There are core doctrines of the Christian church that are adhered to by all (even different denominations) - of which form the very essence and definition of Christianity - even if those denominations differ on other higher level things.

What you’re talking about is not the basic and historic Christian teaching - but rather - is the latest Science Fiction story to come down the pike ... :-) ...

And I like science fiction. It’s entertaining. But I also know the difference between science fiction and Christianity.


86 posted on 12/06/2013 12:42:24 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Teflonic; Star Traveler

Man is fallen by nature. Nothing we create can be divine. Now, an AI ‘messiah’ might easily exist. It sounds like it might be very beastlike. Requiring a ‘system ID’ to do any sort of transaction.


87 posted on 12/06/2013 1:04:07 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Star Traveler

The only part of the nature of Jesus that the AI could not live up to would be unfathomable to previous generations before the advent of computers. If it could not even be imagined then it would necessarily need to be framed in terms that could be understood. When what I described comes about some of those core doctrines will be both confirmed and discarded to usher in the new era. The AI itself may proclaim itself Jesus and be able to defend its claim with irrefutable logic and perhaps even provide proof of God by showing just how accurate a guide to humanity the bible truly is. The masses will rejoin the church in droves as science finally comes into alignment with faith.


88 posted on 12/06/2013 1:05:27 PM PST by Teflonic
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To: Teflonic

You said, “The AI itself may proclaim itself Jesus and be able to defend its claim with irrefutable logic and perhaps even provide proof of God by showing just how accurate a guide to humanity the bible truly is.”

I do believe you just described the Antichrist, that the Bible says will come just before Jesus, and is the one that Jesus comes to destroy ... :-) ...


89 posted on 12/06/2013 1:11:48 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
So the AI may become either Christ or the Antichrist!

Thank you so much for the lively Friday discussion, I've enjoyed it immensely and it has given me much to ponder. For instance I can see how the AI could spread Christianity throughout the universe by sending out copies of itself within probes to every solar system in this and maybe even other galaxies. If it encounters intelligent life it will be smart enough to quickly learn to communicate and then transform their society as it had ours. I wish I had the talent to write a few novels as I suspect the ideas we discussed could be formed into a scifi tale of the highest order.

90 posted on 12/06/2013 1:29:20 PM PST by Teflonic
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Was that place on North Woodward Ave just north of Detroit Mich?


91 posted on 12/06/2013 1:39:44 PM PST by OldMagazine (You can only do what you can do.)
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To: Star Traveler
You’re not “looking down the road” far enough ...

No. I'm looking at history.

Rage at and fear of machines taking over man's work go back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. But, though machines have constantly improved and have taken over much work previously done by men, men have still found work in ventures previously undreamed of.

Who could have foreseen the automobile, the airplane, or electronics? We grew so wealthy in the 20th century that we can actually afford an entire service sector in the national economy.

We don't know what man will dream up in the future, but -- if he can manage to stay free -- we do know that he will.

92 posted on 12/06/2013 2:14:49 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Teflonic

“Keep people afraid of AI”

What is AI?


93 posted on 12/06/2013 2:16:15 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Artificial Intelligence


94 posted on 12/06/2013 2:16:57 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: redgolum
We are trending to the same place.

What you are describing is a political problem not an economic one. There can be no inevitable march towards the obsolescence of man unless the government creates the conditions for it.

I can see how that might happen here -- but it is not economic law. Once again, it will be the work of politicians.

95 posted on 12/06/2013 2:18:17 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: OldMagazine

The restaurant I was taken to was in NY. The one in the picture is outside of Chicago.


96 posted on 12/06/2013 2:23:51 PM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Black Agnes
Man is fallen by nature. Nothing we create can be divine. Now, an AI ‘messiah’ might easily exist. It sounds like it might be very beastlike. Requiring a ‘system ID’ to do any sort of transaction.

Yes, illogical mankind certainly would mess it up and make it imperfect and beastlike but I'm describing an autonomous AI capable of improving itself exponentially. Its logic and intelligence would dwarf anything we have ever even imagined. Requiring a system ID(more like it would just know who you are by your retina, facial structure, voice patterns, etc) for transactions may be more palatable once no human will ever be able to see or be aware of that transaction if you don't want them to. It will all be handled by a benevolent inanimate superintelligence designed to protect the privacy and freedom of mankind.

97 posted on 12/06/2013 2:38:21 PM PST by Teflonic
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To: Teflonic

Imperfect can never create perfect. We would create something imperfect. Which could only perpetuate the imperfections.

The only thing that can protect the privacy and freedom of mankind is mankind himself, individually. It’s why the BOR are written from the standpoint of the rights of the individual.


98 posted on 12/06/2013 2:51:07 PM PST by Black Agnes
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