Skip to comments.Report: Germany to sell Israel 2 destroyers for 1 billion euros
Posted on 12/07/2013 12:51:09 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
German daily reports that torpedo-laden destroyers are intended to provide protection for Israel's natural gas installations.
Germany has agreed to sell Israel two destroyers in exchange for one billion euros, AFP reported on Saturday, citing a report in German daily Bild.
According to the report, the torpedo-laden destroyers are intended to provide protection for Israel's natural gas installations.
Bild reported that the head of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's National Security Council, Yossi Cohen, visited Berlin last week.
A German government spokeswoman confirmed Cohen's visit, but declined to comment on the nature of his business in Berlin, according to AFP.
Israeli Navy captain Ilan Lavi said in April that the new offshore gas resource offers Israel's enemies an obvious target that would require extra spending to protect. "We have to build an entire new defensive envelope," said Lavi, head of the navy's planning department. A senior naval commander, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that simply to patrol the area Israel needed four new ships and that it had already been in touch with eight or nine foreign firms.
The discovery of large natural gas deposits in its offshore economic zone in 2009 came as a welcome surprise to Israel, transforming the energy security outlook of a country that used to rely heavily on imports. A burst of exploration followed, and by the end of 2013 18 new wells are expected to be drilled at a cost of $1.8 billion.
Israel estimates there are about 950 billion cubic meters of gas beneath its waters, enough to leave plenty fo
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German F-124 class destroyer (frigate in German parlance)
The Germans build excellent military hardware and Israel will need them at some point.
They should have given them those ships gratis. I can think of a few appropriate names for them as well.
I can second that, but it’s not personal for me.
They dealing with the Germans with the history
I'm not sure if 'upside down,' or 'inside out' is the better description of what's going on.
Quite strange isn’t it?
It was either the French or English that did the same thing but reneged on the deal after Israel paid for them. I’m thinking French. I have a hard time dealing with both countries.
Never gave a reason why did they? Wonder who pressured them?
It is for sure they shouldn’t buy them here in the US. What a shame. Frankly, I’d get someone like Hyundai to build them... they usually break the rules and manage to combine good, fast and cheap (good value).
After the USA, Germany is Israel’s largest trading partner.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel maintains especially close ties to Israel.
Blohm&Voss make some good Schiffs.
With the $2+ billion Foreign Military Assistance we give Israel every year, they can afford it.
The Germans were pretty rough on the Jews in the 20’s-40’s. They will carry that guitl as a society for many years to come....just as we do for slavery.
Even though the modern governments of both countries had nothing to do with those atrocities. It’s a stain that will take hundreds of years to go away....from a political standpoint.
I’m sure Jewish politicians similar to Al Sharpton exist in Germany stirrig up the emotions and dividing the people, but accomplishing little else.
Fair trade then for all the assistance the US give Israel’s enemies.
As did the English in 1948. They turned over all their weapons to the Arabs when they left.
That assistance is predicated on buying American Military hardware...
Israel then converted German Mausers to .308 to use,
striking out the nazi proof marks. Some Irony there.
“With the $2+ billion Foreign Military Assistance we give Israel every year, they can afford it.”
Basically, China is buying Israel the ships. Very nice of them.
Not really ironic. Germany has traditionally been a big supporter of Israel out of a sense of duty following WWII.
The Israeli Navy is the big beneficiary. They’ve been equiped with top of the line German subs for years.
As to these destroyers, I wonder what the fit is going to be? The pic above shows an Oto 76mm gun and a RAM mount forward. Maybe Sea Sparrow (VLS) aft?
They are not to be compared. The Germans combined slavery with genocide. We just did slavery. And we not only undid slavery, we made blacks full citizens (after a period of time). When the Germans were done, there were only a handful of German Jews left, and most of them weren't about to return to a country full of neighbors who plotted to have them enslaved, tortured and killed. The Germans have a blood debt to the Jewish people that can never be repaid. It would not surprise me if Israel had a few dozen nukes reserved for Austria and Germany in the event the Jewish state is ever overrun by the Arabs, as a kind of Samson option.
People said the same thing about Jews regarding Jesus. Double standards are never a good thing.
And as I referenced on the Mandela threads, England committed horrible atrocities against the Boers, even Hitler got inspiration for the Concentration Camps, from what Britain did during the Boer War.
Nah. Germany knows the Israelis will be the best at selling the ships to other countries. Iraq and Syria hurt Russian hardware worse than anyone.
Except the Romans killed Jesus. Jews weren’t allowed to do it.
Wow. Nice points.
I’ve read a lot about Europe. Certainly the Germans took anti-semitism to an unacceptable extreme, but the fact is hatred for the Jews was pretty common through-out Europe. Heck, Jews weren’t that well thought of in this country to be completely honest about it.
Not even the British had a lot of love for the Jewish people. After WWII, the Jews terrorized the British government officials and threatened to keep doing so, unless Palestine was divided into two countries when the British relinquished colonial power.
I cannot relate to anti-semistism myself, but I had an uncle who was a teenager in 1930’s and 40’s Chicago. There were many different neigborhoods and the ethnic rivalrys ranged from playful, tense, mean, and all the way up to down right violent depending on the people involved. My uncle was Polish and there was always tension with the German neighborhoods for example.
In any case, the Jewish community was the one that every group ethnic agreed to was the worst....The blacks especially agreed with this assessment. My uncle used to say, “Everyone hated te Jews, but the Germans just took it way too far.” He says it was similar to how hazing can get out of hand in the military. Hazing is never meant to be nice or even friendly. In fact, hazing can be down right mean. With that said, Nno one ever expects hazing to end in death, but sometimes the beast just gets released and things get out of hand. Anger, ignorance, fear, and resentment got turned into organized murder by the German people. It’s that simple.
So, there you have an historical observation from someone who came of age in the 30’s and 40’s. My uncle wasn’t stating this stuff to be mean, he was stating this as an historical observation of life at that time. There you have it.
The Israelis have a home-built solution-the EL/M-2248 radar and Barak-8 missile, which has about the same range as the ESSM but has an active seeker.
That’s a bit lie like saying Al Capone killed nobody, his hit men did it. The Romans were coerced into it by the Jewish mob, who framed and betrayed him.
Actually the “Jewish Mob” was the church leaders.
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