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Report: Germany to sell Israel 2 destroyers for 1 billion euros
The Jerusalem Post, Reuters ^ | 12/07/2013

Posted on 12/07/2013 12:51:09 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

German daily reports that torpedo-laden destroyers are intended to provide protection for Israel's natural gas installations.

Germany has agreed to sell Israel two destroyers in exchange for one billion euros, AFP reported on Saturday, citing a report in German daily Bild.

According to the report, the torpedo-laden destroyers are intended to provide protection for Israel's natural gas installations.

Bild reported that the head of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's National Security Council, Yossi Cohen, visited Berlin last week.

A German government spokeswoman confirmed Cohen's visit, but declined to comment on the nature of his business in Berlin, according to AFP.

Israeli Navy captain Ilan Lavi said in April that the new offshore gas resource offers Israel's enemies an obvious target that would require extra spending to protect. "We have to build an entire new defensive envelope," said Lavi, head of the navy's planning department. A senior naval commander, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that simply to patrol the area Israel needed four new ships and that it had already been in touch with eight or nine foreign firms.

The discovery of large natural gas deposits in its offshore economic zone in 2009 came as a welcome surprise to Israel, transforming the energy security outlook of a country that used to rely heavily on imports. A burst of exploration followed, and by the end of 2013 18 new wells are expected to be drilled at a cost of $1.8 billion.

Israel estimates there are about 950 billion cubic meters of gas beneath its waters, enough to leave plenty fo

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: destroyer; germany; idf; israel

German F-124 class destroyer (frigate in German parlance)

1 posted on 12/07/2013 12:51:09 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Germans build excellent military hardware and Israel will need them at some point.


2 posted on 12/07/2013 12:52:19 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Irony


3 posted on 12/07/2013 12:57:59 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They should have given them those ships gratis. I can think of a few appropriate names for them as well.


4 posted on 12/07/2013 1:03:19 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

I can second that, but it’s not personal for me.


5 posted on 12/07/2013 1:09:35 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Outstanding.


6 posted on 12/07/2013 1:12:32 PM PST by moovova
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They dealing with the Germans with the history


7 posted on 12/07/2013 1:13:08 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Vendome
Indeed. Germans arming Jews and Russian Christians praying for the conversion of Godless Americans.

I'm not sure if 'upside down,' or 'inside out' is the better description of what's going on.

8 posted on 12/07/2013 1:17:04 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: SkyDancer

Quite strange isn’t it?


9 posted on 12/07/2013 1:17:48 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101

It was either the French or English that did the same thing but reneged on the deal after Israel paid for them. I’m thinking French. I have a hard time dealing with both countries.


10 posted on 12/07/2013 1:20:05 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

Never gave a reason why did they? Wonder who pressured them?

It is for sure they shouldn’t buy them here in the US. What a shame. Frankly, I’d get someone like Hyundai to build them... they usually break the rules and manage to combine good, fast and cheap (good value).


11 posted on 12/07/2013 1:25:41 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101

After the USA, Germany is Israel’s largest trading partner.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel maintains especially close ties to Israel.


12 posted on 12/07/2013 1:27:27 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Blohm&Voss make some good Schiffs.


13 posted on 12/07/2013 1:34:39 PM PST by omega4179
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To: SkyDancer

With the $2+ billion Foreign Military Assistance we give Israel every year, they can afford it.


14 posted on 12/07/2013 2:06:16 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Germans were pretty rough on the Jews in the 20’s-40’s. They will carry that guitl as a society for many years to come....just as we do for slavery.

Even though the modern governments of both countries had nothing to do with those atrocities. It’s a stain that will take hundreds of years to go away....from a political standpoint.

I’m sure Jewish politicians similar to Al Sharpton exist in Germany stirrig up the emotions and dividing the people, but accomplishing little else.


15 posted on 12/07/2013 2:06:20 PM PST by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: GreyHoundSailor

Fair trade then for all the assistance the US give Israel’s enemies.


16 posted on 12/07/2013 2:19:46 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer
the French did..Coin aircraft in the '67 war.
two-faced DeGual favored the Pali-Arabs.

17 posted on 12/07/2013 2:21:45 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: skinkinthegrass

As did the English in 1948. They turned over all their weapons to the Arabs when they left.


18 posted on 12/07/2013 2:23:11 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: GreyHoundSailor
With the $2+ billion Foreign Military Assistance we give Israel every year, they can afford it.

That assistance is predicated on buying American Military hardware...

19 posted on 12/07/2013 2:25:29 PM PST by Popman
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To: SkyDancer

the Rafael Aircraft (COIN type), from the French.

20 posted on 12/07/2013 2:26:59 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: SkyDancer
As did the English in 1948...They turned over
all their weapons to the Arabs when they left.
True..the Palmace (irregular Israeli armed forces) gave 'em hell..
the Germans sold/"donated" the Israeli many items.."tools for freedom"

21 posted on 12/07/2013 2:33:40 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: SkyDancer

Israel then converted German Mausers to .308 to use,
striking out the nazi proof marks. Some Irony there.


22 posted on 12/07/2013 2:34:23 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: GreyHoundSailor

“With the $2+ billion Foreign Military Assistance we give Israel every year, they can afford it.”

Basically, China is buying Israel the ships. Very nice of them.


23 posted on 12/07/2013 2:49:42 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: Vendome

Not really ironic. Germany has traditionally been a big supporter of Israel out of a sense of duty following WWII.

The Israeli Navy is the big beneficiary. They’ve been equiped with top of the line German subs for years.

As to these destroyers, I wonder what the fit is going to be? The pic above shows an Oto 76mm gun and a RAM mount forward. Maybe Sea Sparrow (VLS) aft?


24 posted on 12/07/2013 2:58:51 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Mustangman
The Germans were pretty rough on the Jews in the 20’s-40’s. They will carry that guitl as a society for many years to come....just as we do for slavery.

They are not to be compared. The Germans combined slavery with genocide. We just did slavery. And we not only undid slavery, we made blacks full citizens (after a period of time). When the Germans were done, there were only a handful of German Jews left, and most of them weren't about to return to a country full of neighbors who plotted to have them enslaved, tortured and killed. The Germans have a blood debt to the Jewish people that can never be repaid. It would not surprise me if Israel had a few dozen nukes reserved for Austria and Germany in the event the Jewish state is ever overrun by the Arabs, as a kind of Samson option.

25 posted on 12/07/2013 4:17:45 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The Germans have a blood debt to the Jewish people that can never be repaid.

People said the same thing about Jews regarding Jesus. Double standards are never a good thing.

26 posted on 12/07/2013 4:21:28 PM PST by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: Zhang Fei

And as I referenced on the Mandela threads, England committed horrible atrocities against the Boers, even Hitler got inspiration for the Concentration Camps, from what Britain did during the Boer War.


27 posted on 12/07/2013 4:27:11 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp. Go Michigan State!)
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To: tanknetter

Nah. Germany knows the Israelis will be the best at selling the ships to other countries. Iraq and Syria hurt Russian hardware worse than anyone.


28 posted on 12/07/2013 4:29:15 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Hacksaw

Except the Romans killed Jesus. Jews weren’t allowed to do it.


29 posted on 12/07/2013 4:30:02 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
1. Germany wants natural gas from a source other than Russia.
2. Torpedoes? Of course these have torpedoes. The Sachsen air defense frigate is similar to our Arleigh Burke Destroyers. They have the same SM-2 missiles fired from a Mk 41 VLS tube. They simply carry 32 as opposed to the 96 on our Arleigh Burkes. The APAR radar is a AEASA radar more modern than the An/SPY-1D on our Arleigh Burkes. It also has a long range SMART-L radar, which can be used for Ballistic Missile Defense.
30 posted on 12/07/2013 5:49:42 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: GreyHoundSailor
With the $2+ billion Foreign Military Assistance we give Israel every year, they can afford it.
Actually, no. I believe it is to be spent only on American weapons. It also does not necessarily fee up funds, because Israel has to counter current and potential threats from Egypt and Jordan, which get military assistance from the US. There have been a few analyses which have indicated that Israel would be better off with no military aid in the region. And that isn't even counting the political effects of the aid.
31 posted on 12/07/2013 5:52:26 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Zhang Fei

Wow. Nice points.

I’ve read a lot about Europe. Certainly the Germans took anti-semitism to an unacceptable extreme, but the fact is hatred for the Jews was pretty common through-out Europe. Heck, Jews weren’t that well thought of in this country to be completely honest about it.

Not even the British had a lot of love for the Jewish people. After WWII, the Jews terrorized the British government officials and threatened to keep doing so, unless Palestine was divided into two countries when the British relinquished colonial power.

I cannot relate to anti-semistism myself, but I had an uncle who was a teenager in 1930’s and 40’s Chicago. There were many different neigborhoods and the ethnic rivalrys ranged from playful, tense, mean, and all the way up to down right violent depending on the people involved. My uncle was Polish and there was always tension with the German neighborhoods for example.

In any case, the Jewish community was the one that every group ethnic agreed to was the worst....The blacks especially agreed with this assessment. My uncle used to say, “Everyone hated te Jews, but the Germans just took it way too far.” He says it was similar to how hazing can get out of hand in the military. Hazing is never meant to be nice or even friendly. In fact, hazing can be down right mean. With that said, Nno one ever expects hazing to end in death, but sometimes the beast just gets released and things get out of hand. Anger, ignorance, fear, and resentment got turned into organized murder by the German people. It’s that simple.

So, there you have an historical observation from someone who came of age in the 30’s and 40’s. My uncle wasn’t stating this stuff to be mean, he was stating this as an historical observation of life at that time. There you have it.


32 posted on 12/07/2013 6:51:53 PM PST by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: tanknetter

The Israelis have a home-built solution-the EL/M-2248 radar and Barak-8 missile, which has about the same range as the ESSM but has an active seeker.


33 posted on 12/07/2013 10:46:07 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: skinkinthegrass
That's a Super Tucano from Brazil. The French aircraft is called the Rafale
34 posted on 12/07/2013 10:51:47 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: AppyPappy

That’s a bit lie like saying Al Capone killed nobody, his hit men did it. The Romans were coerced into it by the Jewish mob, who framed and betrayed him.


35 posted on 12/14/2013 4:49:27 AM PST by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: Hacksaw

Actually the “Jewish Mob” was the church leaders.


36 posted on 12/14/2013 5:07:48 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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