now you all know Obama would send the army against the Southern states if we decided to secede .and the media again would use the demonozation of us as being racist to justify the invasion.
who does the buck stop with ? who is responsible for all these American deaths: all the following for what?
http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/travel/national_cemeteries/death.html
The Civil War’s rate of death, its incidence in comparison with the size of the American population, was six times that of World War II. A similar rate, about two percent, in the United States today would mean six million fatalities. As the new southern nation struggled for survival against a wealthier and more populous enemy, its death toll reflected the disproportionate strains on its human capital. Confederate men died at a rate three times that of their Yankee counterparts; one in five white southern men of military age did not survive the Civil War. Twice as many Civil War soldiers died from disease as from battle wounds, the result in considerable measure of poor sanitation in an era that created mass armies that did not yet understand the transmission of infectious diseases like typhoid, typhus, and dysentery.
These military statistics, however, tell only a part of the story. The war also killed a significant number of civilians; battles raged across farm and field, encampments of troops spread epidemic disease, guerrillas ensnared women and children in violence and reprisals, draft rioters targeted innocent citizens, and shortages of food in parts of the South brought starvation. No one sought to document these deaths systematically, and no one has devised a method of undertaking a retrospective count. The distinguished Civil War historian James McPherson has estimated that there were 50,000 civilian deaths during the war, and has concluded that the overall mortality rate for the South exceeded that of any country in World War I and all but the region between the Rhine and the Volga in World War II.
If anyone starts an insurrection in the US, Obama should declare such an insurrection, and suppress it.
Of course if you want to legally secede you need
(1) majority of house and senate, and 3/4s of the states for an amendment or
(2) majority of house and senate, and presidential signature for straight law or
(3) 2/3rds of Senate and presidential signature for treaty
(4) a valid supreme court cause by one or more states, that wins.
Of course if you could get a majority of house and senate and 3/4s of the states or presidential signature, you could resolve any particular grievance that would compel different people to combine to pursue secession.
Who would be responsible for loss of life associated with any insurrection? That would be the parties pursuing insurrection.
By the way, in 1860-1865 there was no new southern nation. Rather they were an insurrection, that failed to gain the recognition of any foreign government anywhere in the world.
Confederate men died at such a high rate because the pretended confederate army shot its own men at a high rate.
Which merely indicates that wars have become less destructive, contrary to the popular POV.
The 30 Years War resulted in the deaths of 25% to 40% of Germans, with some provinces upwards of 75%.
Most Chinese changes of the Mandate of Heaven (one dynasty succeeding another) in the last 2000+ years resulted in death rates of 50% to 75%, usually over a few decades.
The Wars of the Three Kingdoms in 1600s Britain and Ireland resulted in the deaths of an estimated 10% of the English, 20% of the Scots, and 30% of the Irish.
The French and others had religious civil wars with similar death rates.
It is estimated that almost 300,000 CSA soldiers died, let's round up to that number. Add in the 50,000 claimed civilian deaths, almost all of whom were in the South for the obvious reason that's where the fighting was.
350,000 is around 3.8% of the 9M prewar population of the seceding states.
Most if not all seceding states showed an increase in population from the 1860 census to that of 1870.