Skip to comments.Putin vs. Pro-West Ukrainians (Revolt in Kiev Against Reabsorption by Russia, Lenin Statue Toppled)
Posted on 12/10/2013 10:00:43 AM PST by xzins
The massively attended Sunday protest in Kiev, highlighted by the toppling and smashing of the monument to Vladimir Lenin, has apparently forced Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovychs hand. Yesterday, he called for talks with former government leaders and opposition forces aimed at resolving the nations political crisis. It is a crisis ignited by his decision to turn away from Europe and feed Russian strongman Vladimir Putins dreams of a Eurasian Union, which is little more than a thinly-veiled effort to restore Russian hegemony over large swaths of Eastern Europe.
The current standoff is reminiscent of the Orange Revolution that took place in 2004, when a pro-democratic government was swept into power. Thus it was hardly surprising when government officials announced on Sunday that they would undertake an investigation against opposition leaders they accuse of attempting to seize power, and warned demonstrators that they could also be subjected to criminal charges. That investigation will be conducted by the Ukrainian security service SBU, formerly known as the KGB.
Yanukovychs conciliatory gesture, based on former President Leonid Kravchuks call for an all-national round table, that includes three former presidents of Ukraine who favor closer EU ties, was belied by threats of a crackdown. Pro-European demonstrators currently occupying a city government administration building claimed heavily armed riot police broke into their Fatherland Party offices. They reportedly entered through doors and windows and seized computer servers. An additional cadre of riot police have also massed behind barricades erected by protesters to block off Independence Square, and metro stations near the area were closed due to a purported bomb threat.
Sundays demonstration in Kiev, which may have been attended by as many as a million people, was buttressed by demonstrations in other cities around the country. These EuroMaidan protests in favor of establishing closer ties with the European Union have been ongoing for the three weeks following Yanukovychs refusal to sign an agreement with the EU. And while that may have been the initial impetus for the uprising, the protests have become more anti-government in general. Opposition leaders have rejected calls for talks until the police who beat protesters at a demonstration November 30 are arrested, detained demonstrators are released, and the current cabinet is fired. Many are also calling for Yanukovych himself to resign.
Currently the protests remain peaceful, with both opposition party and protest leaders calling for calm. Yet there is differing opinion on what should happen next. Kateryna Kobko, a 19-year-old student, believes the protests should get more radical because Yanukovichs Party of Regions is a malformed structure, and the system built on it must be fully destroyed. Twenty-two-year-old student Roman Bilan believes the peaceful mass protest is the only way to go. Political consultant Taras Berezovets thinks Yanukovych will call for a state of emergency, despite the possibility that his support among the police is on the wane. Yanukovych may through the parliament ask Russia to send peacekeeping troops, he speculated, adding that it would be unlikely absent an escalation.
It may take more than that. Yesterday Sergei Markov, Putin political advisor and vice rector of the Plekhanov Russian University of Economics conceded that the Ukrainian situation is currently too explosive right now and that any linkage between Putins anticipated customs union and Ukraine could take years. But he noted that Putin believes it will happen eventually. Putin believes that time is on his side and Russia will benefit in the end, he added.
The newfound reticence seems surprising, given that Putin met with Yanukovych as recently as last Friday, in an effort to shore up the proposed strategic partnership between the two nations. It is a deal undoubtedly bolstered by Russian threats of trade retaliation against Ukraine, underscored by the reality that Ukraine is on the hook for $17 billion in debt repayments and Russian gas bills due next year. Despite being a key east-west energy transit route, Ukraine currently needs $10 billion to avoid possible default, even as the country remains mired in its third recession since 2008. Yanukovych has repeatedly rejected bailout terms offered by the EUs International Monetary Fund (IMF), but remains enticed by Russias offer of financial aid and cheaper energy prices.
So why does Russia remain non-committal? Russian Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev, who yesterday insisted there are no preliminary agreements between the two nations, claimed that any agreement assumes a massive amount of work and a clear desire to join on the part of a country thats a possible candidate. We have seen no such clear desire, he contended.
Nonsense. As The Atlantics Brian Whitmore explains, protests in the Ukraine have galvanized Russian opposition to Vladimir Putins autocratic rule. Protesters have gathered outside the Ukrainian Embassy in Moscow, and 30 high-profile Russians writers and poets wrote an open letter in support of their Ukrainian counterparts, noting that their demonstrations would be a sign that in Russia we too can defend our rights and freedoms. We are with you!
Whitmore further explains that the timing of the current protests is significant in that they are occurring almost exactly two years after Russians engaged in the largest anti-government demonstration since the fall of the Soviet Union. Writing for the New York Times, Moscow journalist Masha Gessen illuminates the significance of Ukraines unrest. Russia is using every kind of pressurefrom threatening economic sanctions to declaring tens of thousands of Ukrainians persona non grataall in order to drag Ukraine back into the Middle Ages with it, she writes. Western Europe, which has many demands of its own, promises a future of openness and progress. She further notes that if the protests succeed, they may change the future of not one but two of the largest countries in Europe.
Putin is keenly aware of the consequences of such success. Eight days ago, he characterized the demonstrations as a pogrom. This internal political process is an attempt by the opposition to destabilize the existing legitimate rule in the country, he said during a visit to the former Soviet nation of Armenia. Yesterday he upped the ante, dissolving the state news agency RIA Novosti. It will be replaced with an entity called Rossiya Segodnya, which will be tasked with the mission of promoting Russias image around the world. It marks Putins second effort in two weeks to accomplish what RIA described as a series of shifts in Russias news landscape which appear to point towards a tightening of state control in the already heavily regulated media sector.
Unsurprisingly, Radio Free Europe reveals that Russian media coverage of the protests in Ukraine have been odd and misleading and have spared no efforts to portray the protesters as a horde of hooligans funded by the West to topple Yanukovych and sow chaos in Ukraine. Leading the effort is Dmitry Kiselyov, tapped to lead the newly-created Rossiya Segodnya. He has accused protestors of ruining Christmas, surviving on lard, and using ancient African military techniques against Ukrainian police. Kiselyov, who has publicly stated that homosexuals should be banned from donating blood, sperm and organs, described Ukrainian boxing champ and opposition leader Vitali Klitschko and his brother, Vladimir, as gay icons.
Klitschko demonstrated why hes a target. We call on people to stand their ground, and peacefully, without using force or aggression, to defend their right to live in a free country, he said according to Reuters. We are expecting the break-up by police of peaceful demonstrators. If blood is spilled during this dispersing, this blood will be on the hands of the person who ordered it: [President Viktor] Yanukovych.
Larger forces remain in play. In the West, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso emphasized the need for a political solution. Toward that end he has sent EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton to Kiev for a two day visit beginning today. She is tasked with mediating a solution between the two factions. Vice President Joe Biden has spoken with Yanukovych by phone. He noted that violence has no place in a democratic society and is incompatible with our strategic relationship, said the White House in a statement explaining Bidens objective. Barroso also spoke with Yanukovych by phone. Ive asked him to show restraint in the face of the recent developments, to not use force against the people who are demonstrating peacefully, Barroso said.
The Russian side of the equation is illuminated by Financial Times columnist Gideon Rachman. He explains that the demonstrations are both a humiliation and a threat to Mr. Putin, because his main foreign-policy goal is the construction of a sphere of influence for Russia, covering most of the old Soviet Union and Ukraine is meant to be the jewel in the crown. He further notes that because the highly nationalistic Putin views Russia as a unique civilization, he finds the idea that Ukrainians could be more attracted to Europe offensive.
There are darker motives at work as well. Ukraine performs a vital role for the not-so-open elements of the Russian economy, New York University professor and longtime Kremlin-watcher Mark Galeotti contends. Ukraine is an initial pre-wash venue for dirty Russian money. Weve seen the port of Odessa being used for all kinds of dubious arms deals . Losing that would affect not only the Kremlin but also the profitable opportunities of a large number of people whose opinions matter to the Kremlin.
Late yesterday, police began moving against some of the demonstrators, dismantling camps set up in front of government buildings. Prosecutor-General Viktor Pshonka issued a warning, telling the demonstrators to cease creating anarchy and lawlessness by blocking the buildings. As of now, no action has been taken against the crowds occupying Independence Square. How long it will stay that way remains to be seen.
“Putin...finds the idea that Ukrainians could be more attracted to Europe offensive.
In that we are in agreement.
The oligarchs are heavily involved. Some are pro-EU while others are pro-Russia. Someone is paying about $25 each to many of the demonstrators. It isn’t the government.
Putin knows best! Send in the tanks! It’s just a couple hundred thousand protestors.
I don’t want the old Soviet reunited.
I’d say you’re likely right. Everyone knows the EUSSR and the Ruskies have agitated in the past.
Never mind, I found it. You believe Russian propaganda. (I’ll wager that you rail against MSNBC, too).
Am I on the right thread...?
Putin is a communist. The Old Soviet must not be reunited.
Absolutely! Why can’t these silly Ukrainians prefer Putin over freedom!
The irony gets a little thick on these threads. Imagine telling your typical Ukrainian protesting against the Russians that “conservatives on FR” have decided that they know what’s best for them, and it is not the EU.
That has surprised me. The Ukrainian history with Russia has been one of being brutalized, pogromed, and subjugated. I'm sure they want to go back to that. /sarc.
What makes it so sad is that it is so predictable--anti-Soviet, er, Russian protesters are paid stooges seeking to provoke a reaction from the benevolent, God-fearing Soviet, er, Ukranian authorities.
Again, it would be funny if it wasn't so Hugo Chavez-esque, and if some FReepers wouldn't fall for it so easily.
...in the East.
If you were a Ukrainian male - wouldn’t you want to stop Russia from taking over again - and oppressing (see photo) the people?
Speak to Obama and the Rats about that.
Don’t ever humiliate a megalomaniac. It’s like poking a bear.
Unique civilization? Ho ho. That’s for sure.
Let me see if I follow your logic: the Ukrainians should welcome the loving embrace of Mother Russia because you are afraid of “Obama and the Rats.”
If they don’t know what’s good for them, they’ll have to be taught./s
There’s no need to modify Russian with propaganda. Lies are implied by the country of origin alone. I’ve done business with Russians and I wouldn’t sign a contract. It’s worthless and more likely to put you in harms way than just a handshake.
"Revolution is an expensive thing." That refrain has become common in Russia this week, as journalists on Kremlin-controlled channels spin the rallies in Kiev as the work of meddlesome, moneyed foreigners.
NTV said that many of the protesters had come from outside of Kiev and labeled them "professional revolutionaries, for whom organizing riots is a job." Another channel, Rossiya, said that the Ukrainian opposition was receiving foreign money and training, sometimes via "seemingly harmless" non-governmental organizations and sometimes directly from the U.S. Embassy.
The Rossiya report then showed a man who said he had been promised payment for participating in a protest. The interview was lifted from a Ukrainian channel and the full version does indeed show the man complaining about not being paid for protesting in support of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's decision to ally with Moscow.
Ukraine's Protests Look Different to Russian Eyes, ABC, December 3, 2013.
I don’t think there are any good options for Ukraine. Prayer.
The EU may very well be what’s best for the Ukraine, but doesn’t that make their situation all the more sad. At least we have the hope of secession.
While hundreds of thousands were protesting in Ukraine at the weekend, a steely-voiced Russian newsreader dismissively told viewers that the protests had dwindled to a few hundred people and seemed to have run out of steam.
In the end, Sunday's protest on Kiev's Independence Square, or Maidan, was likely the biggest in Ukraine since the 2004 Orange Revolution and the assessment of the anchor on Russian Channel One television rapidly went viral on the Internet.
The phrase "there are just a few hundred people on the Maidan" became a hit on Twitter as the protest swelled to hundreds of thousands and demonstrators spectacularly toppled a granite Lenin statue.
The almost farcical assessment of the protest was symbolic of Russian state television's clearly conscious move to downplay the scale of the massive Ukrainian protests.
The pro-Western protests broke out on November 21 over President Viktor Yanukovych's decision to reject a pact with the European Union in favour of promoting ties with Russia.
The main news channels are tightly controlled by the Kremlin and broadcast dogmatic Soviet-style scripts with a clear bias against the Ukrainian opposition.
Ukraine's 'paid-for' protests played down on Russian TV, EUbusiness, December 10, 2013.
And they gave you a pretty strong hint when they toppled that Lenin statue.
I would be all in favor of toppling an Obama statue. Seeing FReepers argue that I shouldn’t have because they hate RINOs, not so much.
The Ukrainians don’t trust anyone as you would not after what they have been through. What they are looking for is a trade agreement not membership in the EU
There is a strong nationalist movement now that I think will prevail
The paid "pro EU" demonstrators in Ukraine may get what they ask for, like the gibmedat Occupy demonstrators in the US got (among other things) Obamacare, the ever improving Obama economy, the Obama dollar, and plenty of Obama jobs, plus a real bright future.
The really great part is everybody else gets it, too!
You have provided no evidence that these protestors are being paid, and you cling to the hope that they are with the same passion that some commielib clings to the hope that Tea Party protestors are being paid by the Koch Brothers.
Do you have any evidence that photo wasn't taken in 2004? Or that is hasn't been digitally manipulated?
Who's the "leader" in the black jacket?
I'm sure your boyfriends at Reddit know the answer..
There is a strong nationalist movement now that I think will prevail
I think you're right.
The Serbs got no mercy from the West when it was necessary to make them toe the Western line, and Georgia got no help for willingly toeing the Western line.
All the Ukrainians need is to be able to accurately predict the future.
Some reason why the Ukraine would want to end up like Greece, Cyprus, or Portugal?? Looks to me like they chose life over death...
The USA did help Georgia. We armed them and helped them shoot down Russian jets and kill Russians. We sent our ships to the Black Sea carrying nuclear missiles and Putin backed off because he is afraid of the USA. When Georgia needs help again we will help them kill more Russians.
It’s all about Western Ukraine vs. Eastern/Soviet Ukraine.
Lots of History.
Saakashvili Addresses Protesters In Kiev - December 7, 2013 - Ukrainian triumph will put an end to the era of Vladimir Putin and it will start here, on this very square, he said.
Saakashvili, who graduated from the Taras Shevchenko National University in Kiev in 1992 after serving with the Soviet border troops in Ukraine, addressed the rally in Ukrainian reading out from notes.
I am Georgian, I am Ukrainian, therefore I am European, he said.
Earlier on Saturday he told Tbilisi-based Rustavi 2 TV in Kiev that developments in Ukraine are of vital importance for Georgia. Georgias fate is also being decided here. We cant remain passive observers, he said.
And look, oh my goodness, 3 out of 3 are wearing crosses.
Stuff it, Ivan. I am to believe that this is all a Soros-led conspiracy, but you cannot believe a single photo or video easily found on the Internet.
Because they "heard*" it somewhere. LOLOL
*From the Kremlin.
Their lies are laughable.
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