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Hitler's Plan to Attack America (Why Hitler Jumped at War With U.S.)
History News Network ^ | December 11, 2013 | Professor Gerhard L. Weinberg

Posted on 12/11/2013 5:51:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

A little known fact is that Mexico had pilots who saw action on our side in the Pacific theater. Although they mostly flew support missions, one Mexican pilot lost his life in combat.


61 posted on 12/11/2013 8:06:35 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

The Japanese Navy was extremely well trained. I remember Saburo Sakai pointed out just how strict they were with pilot training. Only around 2 percent made it through. He said later they were badly mistaken and they wished they had a lot of those they washed out back. In other words many of those who were washed out were still excellent pilots etc.

They were also very well trained in night fighting. The amazing thing is that by the battle of Midway we had caught up with them. That was only 5 months after Pearl Harbor.


62 posted on 12/11/2013 8:12:40 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: driftless2

Something everyone wants to forget is that South Africa and Rhodesia supplied a large number of pilots to the RAF, some of their best ones too.


63 posted on 12/11/2013 8:14:26 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
"the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, not the Germans. "


"What"?

64 posted on 12/11/2013 8:17:09 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Argus

“If Japan had invaded Siberia at the same time the panzers were driving on Moscow, the USSR would have fallen and world history would be a lot different.”

Siberia would have swallowed the Japanese Army.


65 posted on 12/11/2013 8:20:08 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I saw a B&W photo of two GIs holding up a tailored German officer’s tunic showing the SS sleeve patch. The photo was taken during the hedgerow fighting not long after Normandy.
The thing is, they were in really cool camo fatigues. I had never seen them before, close to a Marine pattern from the Pacific theater. In fact it resembled the German ‘flektar’ so I’m wondering if they were having a problem confusing it with the Heine’s and went back to olive drab.
In any event, yeah you’re right. If ‘Bruno’ designed uniforms he’d have been eine gross Deutsche waffen fanboi.


66 posted on 12/11/2013 8:22:13 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: RitchieAprile

Simply pinning down the Siberian divisions would have been sufficient.


67 posted on 12/11/2013 8:23:06 PM PST by Argus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In 1939 the evil and genocide had been happening in the Soviet Union. In an alternative history some have written the West helps Germany defeat the Soviets before defeating Germany.


68 posted on 12/11/2013 8:25:41 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Petrosius

You are correct on the change...Continental did the same thing back in the day...also, Clinton did the same thing for the post office by removing the clocks...wasn’t clinton...but the new postmaster general during his reign.


69 posted on 12/11/2013 8:27:32 PM PST by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: willyd

I wonder if my Dr. could learn scheduling from that.

I have a 10:00 appointment. I sit there 45 minutes waiting then they bring me in take a few tests such as temp, blood pressure etc. then I wait another 45 minutes.


70 posted on 12/11/2013 8:30:57 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: 2banana

Hitler had hopes of making peace with the British, with or without invasion. If he could have done this, then he would have had the Royal Navy and the navies of France and Italy at his disposal. Britain forestalled his having the French fleet but after the British held on, FDR provoked him with his undeclared naval war on Germany. After Pearl Harbour crippled out fleet, our naval strength in the Atlantic had to be reduced. Of course, had Hitler not declared war on the USA, then that would have happened anyway and perhaps even more, as ships were transferred from the Atlantic to be used against Japan. Hitler must have had a deeply flawed understanding of the latent power of the United States, its source maybe being his racism.


71 posted on 12/11/2013 8:36:47 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Hugin

As discussed, Germany never developed much of a “strategic” ability other than the U-Boat. Some could argue the V-2 was the elemental stage of strategic weaponry but it was largely a theater weapon in German hands.

Early in the war Hitler decreed, due to the limits on aircraft manufacturing at the time in Germany, that only twin-engined bombers would be built since two twin-engined bombers could be built for every four-engined one. That “rule” existed for most of the time of the Reich. Hitler largely looked upon the Luftwaffe as airborne artillery for the Wermacht and thus a tactical force rather than a strategic one. The German navy was built more along the lines of it’s WW1 navy with emphasis, surface-ship wise, going to pocket battleships, battlecruisers, and the like intended for raiding rather than fleet offensive operations.

The Germans were also somewhat bad at intelligence gathering and were fooled many times by the Allies and Russians.


72 posted on 12/11/2013 8:40:28 PM PST by FAA
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To: Rebelbase

After Japan attacked the United States, the Russians withdrew many divisions from the East and sent the to help block Hitler’s advance on Moscow. They knew the Japanese did not have the resources to invade the USSR and conduct a war against the United States and occupy east Asia at the same time.


73 posted on 12/11/2013 8:42:46 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: FAA

The only long range weapons able to hit the USA from Germany would have been the long-ranger missile that they were developing.to the east coast. As far as lomng term strategy, Germany didn’t have time to develop one before they had to go to war in 1939.


74 posted on 12/11/2013 8:48:27 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Argus

would have been correctly interpreted as a smokescreen.
Richard Sorge kept Stalin appraised.


75 posted on 12/11/2013 8:57:07 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: cripplecreek

Yea, they were lucky not to meet our Kentuckian turkey hunters on home turf.


76 posted on 12/11/2013 8:57:39 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

Community and individuality are not opposites. People cannot survive on their own. When the odds are stacked against you, you must rally with the oppressed and hated.

When a growing oppressive regime is taking hold, you must act, otherwise you will soon face your enemy alone and hopeless.

Strength of community is a strength as much as individualism, as long you are willing to face weaknesses in your own community. Ignoring slacking values will mean that you will be rallied against by those you oppress.

Niemöller affirms we must rally against unhealthy organized regimes. We must also stay vigilant with those that appear to be good natured, as all organisation attracts corruption. Niemöller also warns us that if it is you who are corrupt, then you will face a stronger combined force of foe!
Vexen Crabtree

 


77 posted on 12/11/2013 9:09:14 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, I also missed the part where they succeeded.


78 posted on 12/11/2013 9:12:23 PM PST by stormhill
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To: RobbyS

I’ve read, true I don’t know, that Hitler told his military leadership in the mid-1930s that they should expect war in Europe around 1943 and that they then set their development programs on a schedule according to that.

Except....except.....he then went off and started popping shots about 5 years early on them. Had the German armaments industry had another 5 years to to develop and grow, who knows how things might have played out differently?


79 posted on 12/11/2013 9:20:08 PM PST by FAA
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To: Argus

Agreed.
Stalin held the troops in Siberia due to previous conflicts with Japan. Those troops remained in place until the British informed Russia that Japan was looking to start hostilities with the US.

That said, all the Japanese army needed to do was to play on Stalin’s fears and demonstrate hostility. The Japanese army may have gotten another pasting at the hands of the Russians, but the Siberian troops may have remained deployed in Siberia.

The Japanese army did not have the stomach for another war with the Russians and were on the record in saying so.


80 posted on 12/11/2013 9:22:28 PM PST by Dawggie
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