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LAWMAKERS RUSH TO CATCH UP ON GAY MARRIAGE
Associated Press ^ | December 12, 2013 | Josh Lederman

Posted on 12/12/2013 8:41:08 AM PST by kobald

For years, American opinion on gay marriage has been shifting. Now lawmakers are in a mad dash to catch up.

In less than two weeks, seven senators--all from moderate or Republican-leaning states--announced their support, dropping one by one like dominos. Taken together, their proclamations reflected a profound change in the American political calculus: For the first time, elected officials from traditionally conservative states are starting to feel it's safer to back gay marriage than risk being the last to join the cause...

"They're reflecting what they're seeing in the polls--except the most extreme of the Republican base," former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman, a Republican who supports gay marriage, said in an interview. "From a purely political perspective, if you want to be a leader of the future, you look at the next generation. They are overwhelmingly in favor of this."..

Among Republicans, whose party platform opposes gay marriage, the shift in position has mostly been limited to former lawmakers and prominent strategists. Still, a distinct change in tone was palpable this month when Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, a Republican whom presidential candidate Mitt Romney vetted last year as a potential running mate, declared his support, citing a personal conversion stemming from his son coming out to him as gay.

Rather than blast Portman for flouting party dogma or failing an ideological litmus test, Republican leaders shrugged, indicating that even if Republicans, as a party, aren't prepared back gay marriage, they won't hold it against those in their ranks who do...

"It's like immigration. The party realizes they are on the losing side of some of these issues," said former Rep. Jim Kolbe, an Arizona Republican...

(Excerpt) Read more at the-review.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: culturaldecay; equality; gaymarriage; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; politics; trends
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It'll be interesting to watch the GOP maneuver for position in the new cultural and political landscape that's shaping up.
1 posted on 12/12/2013 8:41:08 AM PST by kobald
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To: kobald

kobald
Since Nov 19, 2013
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kobald hasn’t created an about page.

Push an agenda much NOOB?!


2 posted on 12/12/2013 8:44:41 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: kobald

Fire rained down from heaven on Sodom and Gomorrah. Does America think she will escape the wrath of God, having turned from her righteousness to crimes against nature and God? I think not.


3 posted on 12/12/2013 8:45:18 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: kobald

Right off the top they’ve launched a new attack on tea party conservative RNC Committeeman Dave Agema for his comments on gay marriage and Obamacare. The taxpayers should not be forced to pay for a disease that results from a poor lifestyle choice.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/12/dave_agemas_full_statements_pu.html


4 posted on 12/12/2013 8:46:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kobald

Posting an article from March 28?


5 posted on 12/12/2013 8:46:08 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: kobald

Fools.


6 posted on 12/12/2013 8:46:14 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: kobald

Oh, and possibly IBTZ.


7 posted on 12/12/2013 8:46:23 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: LdSentinal

The date on the top of the page is Dec 12.


8 posted on 12/12/2013 8:47:32 AM PST by kobald
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To: kobald

There is no new cultural or new political landscape as the first sentence of the article is a lie.

“For years, American opinion on gay marriage has been shifting.”

Americans are now, have been and forever will be against gay marriage.


9 posted on 12/12/2013 8:48:18 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: kobald

Republicans voters will not support any candidate who promotes the Gay Agenda.

Never. Ever.

Watch what happens to Portman when he tries to get re-elected.


10 posted on 12/12/2013 8:49:08 AM PST by Oak Grove (H)
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To: US Navy Vet; kobald

Yes, let’s shoot the messenger, that always works.
/sarc


11 posted on 12/12/2013 8:49:22 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: kobald

Maneuver for position?

None of their maneuverings nor gutless caving will make homosexuality more acceptable to conservatives. The behavior adopted by filthy sodomites and their fecal obsessions/ingestion is unnatural and repellent. Republicans who abandon principles in order to pander to perverted queers can’t change that fact.


12 posted on 12/12/2013 8:49:30 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Oliviaforever

That’s not what the poll numbers indicate.


13 posted on 12/12/2013 8:49:46 AM PST by kobald
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To: kobald
former Rep. Jim Kolbe, an Arizona Republican.

Wasn't his only claim to fame is that he got an invitation to speak at a GOP convention (2004, wasn't it?) merely because he was a fudgepacker?

14 posted on 12/12/2013 8:50:31 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: kobald

JOSH LEDERMAN Associated Press Published: March 28, 2013 6:07PM


15 posted on 12/12/2013 8:51:20 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: kobald
For years, American opinion on gay marriage has been shifting

Another myth perpetuated by the liberal media, while it is true that hard-blue states (most who have already legalized gay marriage) have become even more strongly pro-gay marriage (think New York, California) and tend to be bigger and have larger population so they skew nationwide polls. The Red and Purple states haven't budged. In fact in my home state of West Virginia, opposition to gay marriage has actually INCREASED from 68% in 2008 to 74% in 2013. So don't fall for this myth that the entire nation is on the verge of going pro-gay marriage. It is propaganda. The media hopes by promoting it, it will become a self fulfilling prophesy and those opposed to gay marriage will just shut up, thinking they have lost.

16 posted on 12/12/2013 8:58:15 AM PST by apillar
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To: kobald
No, it won't be interesting to watch the GOPe continue to sell out.

IBTZ

17 posted on 12/12/2013 8:59:43 AM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: kobald

I will stay on the losing side of this.

I do not care if millions of Americans accept homo’s marrying each other. It is a sickness of the mind.A perversion. accept this and you accept all perversions.


18 posted on 12/12/2013 9:03:14 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: apillar

“Another myth perpetuated by the liberal media, while it is true that hard-blue states (most who have already legalized gay marriage) have become even more strongly pro-gay marriage (think New York, California) and tend to be bigger and have larger population so they skew nationwide polls. The Red and Purple states haven’t budged. In fact in my home state of West Virginia, opposition to gay marriage has actually INCREASED from 68% in 2008 to 74% in 2013.”


Indeed. Those states which now have same-sex “marriage” are all bright blue. Low hanging fruit (no pun intended). So same-sex “marriage” has hit a brick wall. Unless courts intervene (a big if), you won’t see this happen in purple or red states, at least not for a long time.


19 posted on 12/12/2013 9:03:22 AM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: kobald

Oh by all means please do. Rush in to catch up. I feel so giddy and warm inside.


20 posted on 12/12/2013 9:06:28 AM PST by lesko
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To: apillar

59/41 opposed when we passed the turd burglar marriage ban here in Michigan.

I’ve got a militant lesbian cousin who spends her life harassing those who disagree with her. She goes to Christian schools and other institutions and applies for jobs for no other reason than to threaten to sue them.

A couple of years back she launched a jihad against a bank that wouldn’t let her and her girlfriend get a loan as a married couple. The bank would give them the loan jointly but not as a married couple. They walked away without taking the loan and then claimed the bank refused to give them one.

Now since they’re in Minnesota and are “married” they’re talking about moving to another state that doesn’t have gay marriage so they can start their pathetic victimism all over again.


21 posted on 12/12/2013 9:06:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: steelhead_trout

Since when is Iowa “bright blue”?


22 posted on 12/12/2013 9:07:19 AM PST by kobald
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To: kobald

Since 1988, it only voted once for a Republican presidential candidate (2004). It’s split 50/50 along congressional and senatorial lines. Same-sex marriage was forced upon it by the IA Supreme Court in 2009. But there hasn’t been any movement as far as I can see to amend the IA constitution to thwart the decision. And IA is known as the most liberal state in the farm belt, for what that’s worth.


23 posted on 12/12/2013 9:12:16 AM PST by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: steelhead_trout

Lot of federal subsidies go to Iowa.

Seems that when they get on their knees for government, they’ll get on their knees for a lot of things.


24 posted on 12/12/2013 9:14:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

backwoods-engineer— Amen — We seem to be saying the same things on this subject.I can only conclude you are SO right.


25 posted on 12/12/2013 9:15:07 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: US Navy Vet
IBTZ, but here's an appetizer:


26 posted on 12/12/2013 9:16:18 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: kobald

This is Push News, created by the DNC to spread propaganda.


27 posted on 12/12/2013 9:19:14 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: cripplecreek

Sounds like the Phelps “bogus lawsuit” scam.


28 posted on 12/12/2013 9:21:39 AM PST by kobald
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To: US Navy Vet

FWIW, I see no pattern to justify your post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:kobald/index?tab=articles


29 posted on 12/12/2013 9:22:35 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: steelhead_trout

“And IA is known as the most liberal state in the farm belt, for what that’s worth.”, UHHH NO...look at Minneasota, Wisconsin and Illinois. Iowas just has a NATORIOUSLY(sp?) hard to amend State Constitution, THAT is why Caliporia and New Yawk “interests” choose Iowa as the place to make the sodomite “marriage” “Stand”.


30 posted on 12/12/2013 9:24:02 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Venturer

I don’t care what gay do in the privacy of their home, but to given them rights such as the right to marry is ludicrous. It is against nature; I thought liberals told us to be in tune with what nature commands?


31 posted on 12/12/2013 9:24:55 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kobald

The rush to the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah continues apace.


32 posted on 12/12/2013 9:36:02 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: kobald

Christie Todd Whitman, Jim Kolbe . . . all the stellar lights of the GOP . . . how did they miss Charlie Crist?


33 posted on 12/12/2013 9:37:38 AM PST by madprof98
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To: US Navy Vet

Good point. My lesbian cousin has made it clear that they now intend to move to a state that doesn’t permit gay marriage so they can take the depravity activism game on the road.

Iowa is close to where they are.


34 posted on 12/12/2013 9:41:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

GAY DEATHSTYLE.. :/


35 posted on 12/12/2013 10:03:34 AM PST by carlo3b (RUFFLE FEATHERS, and destroy their FEATHER NEST!)
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To: madprof98

Crist is officially now a democrat, the party where he(and the others you mentioned) truly belong.


36 posted on 12/12/2013 10:48:19 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: kobald
I've come to realize that the greatest threat to our liberty and way of life is a deep and widening spiritual crisis.

The people we send to represent us, both parties, are the worst people in the country. They are ugly people who have sold their souls for a fleeting ephemeral power.

God have mercy on the US.

37 posted on 12/12/2013 12:01:03 PM PST by Pietro
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“For years, American opinion on gay marriage has been shifting.”


Yes. Yes it has. And it has been shifting right into the direction of the ABYSS. I mean...let’s not allow ourselves to be kid in this. The energy BEHIND the ‘shift’, is solely due to psychological manipulation through political, and social persuasion/pressure. Those who are easy prey to this become those who ‘set-the-standards’ for everyone else. For those that are unaware, ‘polls’ LIE, and are PADDED to produce a specific result in order to further an agenda.

Gay marriage is nothing more than the devil making a mockery out of God’s creation, and PROOF that we cannot live independently from Him, and prosper. To glorify a thing that God warns us as an abomination, condemns thyself to the Wrath of HIM.

Isaiah 5
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

woe [woh]noun

1. grievous distress, affliction, or trouble.

2. an affliction.

3. an exclamation of grief, distress, or lamentation.

Synonyms
1. anguish, tribulation, trial, wretchedness, melancholy. See sorrow.

Antonyms
1. joy.


38 posted on 12/12/2013 3:25:57 PM PST by ourworldawry
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“Americans are now, have been and forever will be against gay marriage.”

If we continue to hold on to that statement in the face of all contrary evidence, we’ll never reverse the tide. We used to hold on to the statement that “Americans have never voted for gay marriage and never will.” It’s only true until it isn’t.

Hiding our heads in the sand doesn’t help. It will take hard work and a willingness to face unpleasant facts.


39 posted on 12/12/2013 6:31:36 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Oliviaforever

I think the younger gens are more accepting gays, thanks to public education, Hollywood, etc. So, I do think America will change.


40 posted on 12/12/2013 10:13:44 PM PST by paudio (Liberals teach Whites about guilt and shame much better than Christian churches do...)
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To: Oliviaforever
“For years, American opinion on gay marriage has been shifting.”

Americans are now, have been and forever will be against gay marriage.

You've got that right. What's been shifting is the poll language and the propaganda. There has been at least 3 poll language changes in the longest running poll on the subject, each time neutralizing more the concept of what is really happening.

Homosexual --> Gay
Gay --> Same-sex
etc.

41 posted on 12/13/2013 2:20:09 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: highball
If we continue to hold on to that statement in the face of all contrary evidence, we’ll never reverse the tide. We used to hold on to the statement that “Americans have never voted for gay marriage and never will.” It’s only true until it isn’t.

Only, they haven't. Virtually every time citizens are allowed to vote on the subject, they reject it. The elections in 2012 were some of the most corrupt, fraudulent elections in our nation's history. I fully contend that NONE of the marriage redefinition state elections really fell on the side of the sodomites. There is massive circumstantial evidence to back that assertion up.

And Obama didn't even fairly win. All of the swing states fell to him, against almost all the current polls, and there was, again, massive evidence in each of these states of election fraud.

42 posted on 12/13/2013 2:25:27 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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I’m sorry, but there’s so much in there that’s simply not true.

There is no credible evidence of systemic voter fraud. That’s sore-loser excuse making. It gives us a convenient out to avoid a hard look at our strategy and tactics.

Not to mention that everyone who was actually paying attention to the polls in the last month of the election knew without a doubt that Obama was going to be re-elected. Couldn’t have been more clear. The only people thinking otherwise were the ones like Dick Morris, who are paid lots of money to lie to us and tell us what we want to hear, no matter how silly or false.

And here’s the problem with listening to those liars - it’s dangerous. Dangerous because we convince ourselves that we’re doing fine and then get killed on Election Day. Romney fell for this - he swallowed the “un-skewed polls” lie so hard that he more or less shut down his GOTV operations, leaving his volunteers stranded without tools or instructions. If he had instead looked at the situation objectively, he would have doubled and tripled those efforts, rather than canceling them in favor of victory parties.

That’s also the problem with burying our heads in the sand and pretending that voter fraud is somehow widespread and rampant. It excuses our failures and lets us avoid having to figure out where we messed up. So we can go on repeating those mistakes.

I was first attracted to conservatism in high school because the conservatives I knew were steely-eyed realists who saw the world as it was, not as they wanted it to be. Liberals lived in a utopia of their own imaginations, refusing to accept unpleasant truths about the world. What a difference a few decades make - too many conservatives are now living in their own fantasies (dystopias this time). We didn’t lose that election, we were cheated. Nonsense.

I don’t want to repeat 2008. Or 2012. I want a new outcome next time, but we won’t get one if we can’t honestly acknowledge out faults. That’s long past time.


43 posted on 12/13/2013 4:51:55 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball

Yep. The first step toward finding a path to victory is “pull your head out of you @$$ so you can see where you are”.


44 posted on 12/15/2013 10:59:47 AM PST by kobald
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To: fwdude
Sorry, but you have to deal with the facts as they are, not the facts as you would like them to be.
45 posted on 12/15/2013 11:01:36 AM PST by kobald
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To: kobald

You’re quoting Wikipedia as some sort of authoritative source? Please!


46 posted on 12/15/2013 11:26:55 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: highball
"I want a new outcome next time, but we won’t get one if we can’t honestly acknowledge out faults. That’s long past time."

So if you can't beat the sexual fetish promoters, join them and be full of "pride"? Your brand of "conservatism" is more idealistic rather than realist, lol. Seamen and feces just produces a mess. Bumping vaginas and using the sexual organ for synthetic plungers produces nothing. Just like your idealistic same sex marriages in the face of what is natural.
47 posted on 12/15/2013 11:50:29 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: highball
Semen interaction with feces just produces a mess as well, lol.
48 posted on 12/15/2013 11:52:30 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: kobald

“Support for same-sex marriage generally correlates with lack of religious fundamentalism, young age, higher education, and residence in the Northeast and West Coast.”

So says a CNN (mostly gay employees) poll...

And Hollywood, television shows shove it down our throats...


49 posted on 12/15/2013 1:45:35 PM PST by kcvl
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To: rollo tomasi

Look, if I actually wanted anything you seem to think I do, I’d say “sure, let’s keep on doing what we’re doing, because it’s secretly working really well!” Because it isn’t.

If we want to even try to stem this tide, as I’m sure you do too, we need to be honest with ourselves as to what’s working and what’s not. Hint: our strategy of the last half-decade or so is not working.

It’s not surrender to admit that you’re losing, so long as you are willing to change your losing ways.

Too many here would rather hide their heads in the sand and pretend that we’re really winning. That’s a recipe for gay marriage in all 50 states. Myself, I’d rather figure out a better way to stop it. You’ll have to choose which side you want to be on.


50 posted on 12/15/2013 6:20:24 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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