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To: CodeToad
‘Where did you hear this? I recently worked with hundreds of Chinese here in the US and in China and most were under 30. They were also extremely well educated, trained, and capable. None were communists but very capitalist, very entrepreneurial. I found each and every one of them to be great people with bright futures. They were very happy and loving life and technology. They know China has issues and they were eager to help fix what was broken, from pollution to politics. While they loved the US they also loved China and knew she was going to be better every year.’

The following is not an attempt at a put down but a genuine query.

How many of the ‘educated, trained, and capable’ representatives of the Great Han people you dealt with were either full time or part time stringers for one of a number of PRC military or civil intelligence agencies diligently reporting every conversation, contact and bit of information on anything vaguely useful they came across? How many thousand reports flow into the PRC every year detailing the societal rot and dysfunction that is becoming epidemic in our country? How does one think both the people you deal with and their associates back home consider the crumbling of the family unit and the rise of bastardy rates to near 50% of all live births. How do they view the wholesale abandonment of a religiously based moral and ethical code (whether it is their religion or not) by virtually the entire political class and most of the upper middle class? Seriously, don't you grasp that many of these bright Chinese are making mental note of what parts of the US and its infrastructure they look forward to owning or directing and what Americans they can employ in the future to be their compradore class?

415 posted on 12/19/2013 6:06:16 PM PST by robowombat
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To: Jeff Head
‘Where did you hear this? I recently worked with hundreds of Chinese here in the US and in China and most were under 30. They were also extremely well educated, trained, and capable. None were communists but very capitalist, very entrepreneurial. I found each and every one of them to be great people with bright futures. They were very happy and loving life and technology. They know China has issues and they were eager to help fix what was broken, from pollution to politics. While they loved the US they also loved China and knew she was going to be better every year.’
The following is not an attempt at a put down but a genuine query.

How many of the ‘educated, trained, and capable’ representatives of the Great Han people you dealt with were either full time or part time stringers for one of a number of PRC military or civil intelligence agencies diligently reporting every conversation, contact and bit of information on anything vaguely useful they came across? How many thousand reports flow into the PRC every year detailing the societal rot and dysfunction that is becoming epidemic in our country? How does one think both the people you deal with and their associates back home consider the crumbling of the family unit and the rise of bastardy rates to near 50% of all live births. How do they view the wholesale abandonment of a religiously based moral and ethical code (whether it is their religion or not) by virtually the entire political class and most of the upper middle class? Seriously, don't you grasp that many of these bright Chinese are making mental note of what parts of the US and its infrastructure they look forward to owning or directing and what Americans they can employ in the future to be their compradore class?

I would be curious about your perspective on these two divergent views of the Great Hans visiting the US.

416 posted on 12/19/2013 6:08:53 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

When I deal with 250 Chinese, who knows how many are spies, but it would be nearly impossible to get all of them to sing the same tune, not to mention the years worth of business dealings by fellow Americans living in China working with them on site.

I know very well what they are up to. I’ve been in the spy business myself and have worked very closely with foreign assessments. We cannot avoid dealing with China in this market as aviation is international. There is no way any American aviation company can be isolationist in nature and still be welcome into those nations.

But here is the rub about your questions: You assume we don’t need to compete but protect. Maybe that’s not what you intended to say but that’s the tone and you’re not alone in that tone. If we can’t beat the likes of China then we deserve to lose.


417 posted on 12/19/2013 7:10:06 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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