Posted on 12/13/2013 11:57:03 AM PST by Jack Black
In his 1952 book The Origins of Totalitarian Democracy, Israeli historian J. L. Talmon described a political system in which lawfully elected representatives rule a nation state whose citizens, although granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of government.
The federal government has become such a system, an entity unto itself operating outside of Constitutional constraints and unaccountable to the American people. The United States is now controlled by a Democratic and Republican ruling class that transcends government and sees itself as distinct from the rest of society and as the only element that may act on its behalf.The ruling class considers those who resist it as having no moral or intellectual right, and, only reluctantly, any civil right to do so.
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History also teaches that liberty breaks out at the most unexpected times, or as I said, “A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to obtain or preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them.”
also read my tagline
Look at my link but the actual pertinent text is a few lines down and goes on for awhile and it is fascinating reading. In fact the whole Griffin book (which has had many revisions -- like 11 since originally published) reads exactly like the best thriller you ever read and each chapter is summarized at the end.
Roger that!!
I’m curious about the history you are referencing.
In my studies - most of the history of mankind is one that prefers or is willing to be subjected to tyrants.
The exceptions to this are fleeting - and all of them are rooted in biblical constructs - notably Great Britain and America AFTER the bible itself was published and available for common folk to read for themselves.
I don’t find much in history that teaches what you or I understand as liberty breaking out from tyranny - rather one form of tyranny simply replacing another.
But I agree with you that a people who refuse to stand and use whatever means possible to safeguard their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them.
We lost the culture and possibly the Republic because few were willing to risk what Liberty requires. And history teaches that once a Republic is lost - it never comes back.
Which is why Franklin said to Mrs. Powell when asked what kind of government they instituted: “A Republic Madame, if you can keep it”.
Ah the one that comes to mind is the founding of America....
And how many before that and since then?
With the same kind of liberty we understand as liberty?
INVAR you should stop posting before your mom catches you and takes away the PC
Really? I guess that means you have no answer to the question so you have to resort to a juvenile insult.
No it’s just you have your position and it’s yours, my position and that of others differs, you will not change my mind nor me yours. So the conversation is fruitless, as you just keep repeating the same lines, I only need one example to follow, my great-great-great etc grand father fought in the American revolution, my family has been here a while.
For all your chest-beating, you still have not answered the question.
It’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of FACT and HISTORY. Name a single society before or after our Independence that achieved the kind of liberty as we understand and accept it.
How about an informed opinion rather than opinion built on misplaced optimism and false bravado?
Before you were ranting they was none, now that I proved you wrong you want to exclude it, as I said I only need the one, and history means nothing as to what the future outcome of something may be, if it mattered then the founders would not have even tried....
I can hear you saying to them, “No one has ever done this before, it will not work, go home don’t try this, you will fail.”
You're hung up on false bravado - that somehow 80 million deer hunters can regain what liberty we have lost and are losing when among the 80 million themselves, they have no common core or foundation about what liberty is supposed to be.
The purpose in asking you the question about what societies before or since our own establishment have had a semblance of liberty that we had - is to buttress a FACT that John Adams himself wrote and prophesied about, something that somehow you think is not applicable here.
We are an anomaly in world history, once that is lost - it is lost forever. You place your hope that somehow gun owners are going to throw off MarxoFascist tyranny when we have no evidence they are wiling to risk anything, even when their own favorite pastime is being regulated into oblivion and/or outlawed.
"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it…"- John Adams, letter to Abigail
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